Dayton3 thinks we have to invade China, Iran, Syria and North Korea. At the start of the war in Iraq, he suggested that we would have to start all of these wars in the next 5 years.
U.S. Deaths in Iraq & Afghanistan Decline Dramatically in 2008
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That is so extreme I'm not even sure where I would begin.
Someone never played RISK
Commie phobia still amazes me. I love how the numbskulls come out of the woodwork saying how anything socialist is an enemy of the freeworld and the USA can take on the entire fucking planet and win and win so easy everyone will be home in time for cornflakes.
Newflash for you guys : China's economy is becoming more free and open than many economies in the West, and its us with our bailouts for AIG who fail and us with our socialistic bailout for GM who are going in the wrong direction.
I know you people will probably say its un-patriotic and traitor like to say this but the Chinese are damn hard and don't back off, China would hit so hard it would looks as if they are kicking the living shit out of the USA
This China is a proud nation and even when the U.S had a far more advanced military than China's back in the 50s it was still a pain.
and even when an idiot dictator like Mao ruled the place like a backwater spittoon they still kicked ass and gave us a nice bloody nose.
we started looking at them funny across the Korean peninsula and they were living in a slum but still managed to send A MILLION men across the border and the bloody event cost the United States Fifty Thousand Men!! That's 50,000 either crippled or dead and heavens only knows how many Western allies just to fight them to a stalemate.
Today the US Army and US Marines are so fucking financially fucked after Iraq and Asscrackistan the idea of taking on China also just seems like the idea of some military pot smoking crackhead.
Plus today's Generation living on a diet of MTV, fashion and chris crocker internet vids are far removed from the hardass generation that took the beaches in Normandy.
The U.S is not invincible it has lost war before and even if we win the next big one it could leave us so fucked up you'll all be wishing it never happened.
A naval blockade ain't going to do shit, since various leaders in China gave them a pretty good rail system which will allows them to continue trade with Vietnam, Thailand, Russia, Kazakhstan and probably most of the EU. You don't need ships to trade with these guys just a truck. WTF is Dayton3 thinking?? Are we going to invade those other countries too so we can shut off supplies?? Dude if this is how your mind works you should consider checking into redhab for a week or two.
If its the Fuel game you're after China with about 12 million members in para-military, reserves and PLA army can just roll in about 1 million of its troops through Asscrackistan and into Iran for the win. GAME OVER
There is a chance war might break someday over something stupid like the Dali Lama bullshit. Of course we can back off and come to a political agreement (which is less macho) or we can play hardball. China will hit back, this is almost guaranteed
the USA wouldn't take a beating lying down and the Chinese will probably get scorched by Stealth Bombers and a counter punch of Nuclear fire. The USA will ultimately win over China. However at what cost, a post WW3 USA would be nothing like Roddenbery's post WW3 Utopia.
It would be a broken nation.
Atomic Superpowers just don't fight each other
Most people have an outdated image of the Chinese thanks in part to Western media. China is no small fish, it has an extremely sophisticated military and its going to get some nasty hits in. The US will beat China into a crater and win the war but we are all going to feel it, we are also going to be fucked, perhaps even radioactively fucked. Mexican or EU and Canadian forces would probably be policing our streets keeping us from all out anarchy and most of our cities would be either radioactive or suffering the after effects of biological weapons. Basically the US will win but will have inherited a broken nation bloodier than anything in our worst nightmares, with China gone and America broken either the Islamics, the cockroaches or the French cybord clones of celine dion will have claimed the earth.
Newflash for you guys : China's economy is becoming more free and open than many economies in the West, and its us with our bailouts for AIG who fail and us with our socialistic bailout for GM who are going in the wrong direction.
I know you people will probably say its un-patriotic and traitor like to say this but the Chinese are damn hard and don't back off, China would hit so hard it would looks as if they are kicking the living shit out of the USA
This China is a proud nation and even when the U.S had a far more advanced military than China's back in the 50s it was still a pain.
and even when an idiot dictator like Mao ruled the place like a backwater spittoon they still kicked ass and gave us a nice bloody nose.
we started looking at them funny across the Korean peninsula and they were living in a slum but still managed to send A MILLION men across the border and the bloody event cost the United States Fifty Thousand Men!! That's 50,000 either crippled or dead and heavens only knows how many Western allies just to fight them to a stalemate.
Today the US Army and US Marines are so fucking financially fucked after Iraq and Asscrackistan the idea of taking on China also just seems like the idea of some military pot smoking crackhead.
Plus today's Generation living on a diet of MTV, fashion and chris crocker internet vids are far removed from the hardass generation that took the beaches in Normandy.
The U.S is not invincible it has lost war before and even if we win the next big one it could leave us so fucked up you'll all be wishing it never happened.
A naval blockade ain't going to do shit, since various leaders in China gave them a pretty good rail system which will allows them to continue trade with Vietnam, Thailand, Russia, Kazakhstan and probably most of the EU. You don't need ships to trade with these guys just a truck. WTF is Dayton3 thinking?? Are we going to invade those other countries too so we can shut off supplies?? Dude if this is how your mind works you should consider checking into redhab for a week or two.
If its the Fuel game you're after China with about 12 million members in para-military, reserves and PLA army can just roll in about 1 million of its troops through Asscrackistan and into Iran for the win. GAME OVER
There is a chance war might break someday over something stupid like the Dali Lama bullshit. Of course we can back off and come to a political agreement (which is less macho) or we can play hardball. China will hit back, this is almost guaranteed
the USA wouldn't take a beating lying down and the Chinese will probably get scorched by Stealth Bombers and a counter punch of Nuclear fire. The USA will ultimately win over China. However at what cost, a post WW3 USA would be nothing like Roddenbery's post WW3 Utopia.
It would be a broken nation.
Atomic Superpowers just don't fight each other
Most people have an outdated image of the Chinese thanks in part to Western media. China is no small fish, it has an extremely sophisticated military and its going to get some nasty hits in. The US will beat China into a crater and win the war but we are all going to feel it, we are also going to be fucked, perhaps even radioactively fucked. Mexican or EU and Canadian forces would probably be policing our streets keeping us from all out anarchy and most of our cities would be either radioactive or suffering the after effects of biological weapons. Basically the US will win but will have inherited a broken nation bloodier than anything in our worst nightmares, with China gone and America broken either the Islamics, the cockroaches or the French cybord clones of celine dion will have claimed the earth.
And I dare say that Rumsfeld knows more about military conflicts than you and look how far off the mark he was.Donald Rumsfeld said:
I'm sure the BILLION Chinese would just sit back and take it too, or Russia...who would just LOVE having the US on their border. Oh, and kiss Taiwan and Seoul goodbye if we strike first. Probably Tokyo and Okinawa as well.
But sure, let's go. I'm sure we'll be welcomed as liberators and march in on a carpet of rose petals at the gates of Beijing.
The Russians, though they would never admit publicly, are far more worried for obvious reasons about the Chinese being a major power than with the U.S. flexing its muscles.
Once again, I haven't said one word about invading China.
A naval blockade of China would be childs play for the U.S.
The vast bulk of Chinese exports and oil imports come through half a dozen major ports.
Just mine those ports and China's trade with the rest of the world ends for months. Modern mines used by the U.S. cannot be easily swept and they can be deployed quickly and easily by submarines from miles offshore or from U.S. aircraft.
During the Vietnam War, the U.S. successfully mined Haiphong harbor with a single flight of carrier based aircraft despite North Vietnamese SAMs and MIGs.
Not a single U.S. aircraft was hit by enemy fire.
While I will admit that Chinese military hardware is far more advanced than the North Vietnamese 35 years ago.
The United States is far more advanced as well.
China can't match the U.S. in the air, at sea, or with nuclear weapons. All they have is a large 1970s tech era army and no way to get it to any land conflict except for Korea and Vietnam.
But back on topic, why aren't more people happy about the decline in U.S. combat deaths to their lowest level in 5 years?
Once again, I haven't said one word about invading China.
A naval blockade of China would be childs play for the U.S.
The vast bulk of Chinese exports and oil imports come through half a dozen major ports.
Just mine those ports and China's trade with the rest of the world ends for months. Modern mines used by the U.S. cannot be easily swept and they can be deployed quickly and easily by submarines from miles offshore or from U.S. aircraft.
During the Vietnam War, the U.S. successfully mined Haiphong harbor with a single flight of carrier based aircraft despite North Vietnamese SAMs and MIGs.
Not a single U.S. aircraft was hit by enemy fire.
While I will admit that Chinese military hardware is far more advanced than the North Vietnamese 35 years ago.
The United States is far more advanced as well.
China can't match the U.S. in the air, at sea, or with nuclear weapons. All they have is a large 1970s tech era army and no way to get it to any land conflict except for Korea and Vietnam.
But back on topic, why aren't more people happy about the decline in U.S. combat deaths to their lowest level in 5 years?
I wouldn't really call it "successful" since the US lost that war. But please, dig up more examples.
The harbor was completely shut down.
That makes it successful.
Just because the U.S. lost its nerve a couple of years later doesn't change that.
And there are virtually no examples of modern naval warfare due to no nations challenging the U.S. at sea in any real way for decades.
China has the 3rd most powerful Air Force in the world after the US and Israel.
While they aren't equal to us, they aren't pushovers.
Also, they don't need to match us with nukes, they only need 3 to work. NY, DC, and LA.
While people are still dying for this conflict, there is no cause for celebration.
I'll celebrate when, Canada in particular, is out of the middle east, and when no more young men and woman on both sides are dying.
If the U.S. takes out their nuclear weapons in a first strike that becomes irrelevant.
As for leakers, that is what we have ABMs for. One can thank President Bush for those.
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Ignoring the flaws in the invasion/blockade plan it does beg the question of "why?" Why would we want to do this?
I agree part of this whole surge thing worked, but if life were as simple as "Yee-Haw", "Let's go kick some ass" the Taliban would have surrendered like Germany and Japan did in WW2 and the war in Asscrackistan would be over by now and binLaden's henchmen certainly wouldn't be getting huge sums of cash from an illegal drug trade. An extra surge of troops in Iraq was good but only worked to a certain extent, a good chunk of the decrease in violence needs to be given credit to EthnicCleansing101. You have a neighborhood of one group of people, the other ethnic group views the fist group as disgusting roaches and they exterminate them all until there is nothing left of the unwanted ethnic group. In Iraq prior to the Bush invasion there was society of Mandean Christians, thousands of them. Most of them have been exterminated and those who survived are on the run begging for refuge and sancturay in foreign countries. Credit must also be given to the Iraqi people who got the idea to get off their butts and start securing and being new policemen in their own nation. Final credit must be given to your stolen paychecks. The US has in order to secure Iraq also been taking US taxpayer money paying the Iraqi militias to chill the fuck out and sadly former sunni dominated regions have now yielded to Iranian (Shiite) backed militias. So thank Iran terrorists who overtook certain cities and thanks to those stolen dollars for helping secure a temporary silence in the guns.
With the United States economy about to enter some big socialist bailout mess, the money supply for Iraq cash is running out which is exactly why G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney have decided to set the "Surrender Timeline" to bring the troops home. The great U.S Commanders and Generals who helped win WW2 must be turning in their graves.
3rd I might agree, but behind the Ruskies not Israel. China's squadrons probably rank 3rd alongside the British and French. What they currently lack in home grown tech the Chinese make up for in numbers: 7,000 aircraft and helicopters and almost a quarter of a million support to keep these birds in the air - which means their airforce might outnumber every other player. Most people know the Israelis have an over rated military, look at the caliber of foe the IAF contends with, a ragtag bunch of arabs trying to fire a rocket ain't exactly the best opponenet. The IAF gets over-rated stats from when it fought Syrians flying antique Russian equipment or fighting hezbollahs who couldn't hit the back of a bus with a bazooka. Level the playing field and put a more educated and organized military against Isreal like the Pakistanis flying RAF model Hawker Hunters in 67 and you will find the IAF getting shot out of the sky.
With the United States economy about to enter some big socialist bailout mess, the money supply for Iraq cash is running out which is exactly why G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney have decided to set the "Surrender Timeline" to bring the troops home. The great U.S Commanders and Generals who helped win WW2 must be turning in their graves.
3rd I might agree, but behind the Ruskies not Israel. China's squadrons probably rank 3rd alongside the British and French. What they currently lack in home grown tech the Chinese make up for in numbers: 7,000 aircraft and helicopters and almost a quarter of a million support to keep these birds in the air - which means their airforce might outnumber every other player. Most people know the Israelis have an over rated military, look at the caliber of foe the IAF contends with, a ragtag bunch of arabs trying to fire a rocket ain't exactly the best opponenet. The IAF gets over-rated stats from when it fought Syrians flying antique Russian equipment or fighting hezbollahs who couldn't hit the back of a bus with a bazooka. Level the playing field and put a more educated and organized military against Isreal like the Pakistanis flying RAF model Hawker Hunters in 67 and you will find the IAF getting shot out of the sky.
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We can barely afford Iraq and Afghanistan as it is. Unless China fronts us a loan so we can get started on this plan... oh, wait.
Once again, I never said a thing about invading China. Why do people here keep lying about what I said?
As for the cost of the wars.
Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the U.S. what, a whopping 2% of GDP per year.
If the U.S. was really on a wartime footing, we could afford several times that much.
As for the cost of the wars.
Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the U.S. what, a whopping 2% of GDP per year.
If the U.S. was really on a wartime footing, we could afford several times that much.
Maybe they're inspired by your false topic title to follow your example?
No, you never said anything about invading China, because in the Land of Fascist Make-Believe where this insane plan of yours was concocted the billion+ Chinese people would just lay down arms in gratitude for our preemptive nuclear strike that amazingly only killed 6,000 people because of the lack of wind over East Asia and the longstanding Chinese resistance to radiation (ancient Chinese secret, eh?) and took out every single nuke they owned flawlessly.
The subsequent naval blockade would convince them to break the bonds of tyranny in favor of supporting a country that just nuked and blockaded them without provocation, which is of course not at all another form of tyranny, because we aren't teh eval Commies! And all of this without a single US soldier landing on Chinese soil.
That's goddamn inspiring if you don't mind me saying, and I'm not too embarassed to say that it gives me wood a bit. You should practice retelling your plan in front of a giant American flag for the full-effect, by the way.
Who said anything about "without provocation"?