It's a way to do a Reboot without "raping" childhoods and whatnot, beyond that timelines and such don't matter, this is the Trek we'll have and the one people will recognize as the "real" Trek.(Again, outside a group of droolers)
Orci on Start Trek, timelines, canon and everything (SPOILERS)
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It's a way to do a Reboot without "raping" childhoods and whatnot, beyond that timelines and such don't matter, this is the Trek we'll have and the one people will recognize as the "real" Trek.(Again, outside a group of droolers)
Could someone help me out with a little "Quantum Mechanics For Dummies" here?
Which way is Orci saying the quantum mechanical time travel rules work?
Option One: Time Traveler leaves Universe A and Time Point X to go back to Time Point Y. At the exact instant of Time Traveler's arrival at Time Point Y, Universe B is formed. Universe A still exists - which is a universe where Time Traveler never went back in time. Any effects Time Traveler makes effects Universe B. When Time Traveler goes back to Time Point X, he is still in the Universe B his actions created.
Option Two: Time Traveler leaves Universe A and Time Point X to go back to Time Point Y. At the exact instant of Time Traveler's arrival at Time Point Y, Universe B is formed. Time Traveler does his stuff, then goes back to Time Point X, but is still in Universe A, even though he created Universe B, which is happily existing without him. Time Traveler says "Great Socks! Why did I waste my time?"
Which way is Orci saying the quantum mechanical time travel rules work?
Option One: Time Traveler leaves Universe A and Time Point X to go back to Time Point Y. At the exact instant of Time Traveler's arrival at Time Point Y, Universe B is formed. Universe A still exists - which is a universe where Time Traveler never went back in time. Any effects Time Traveler makes effects Universe B. When Time Traveler goes back to Time Point X, he is still in the Universe B his actions created.
Option Two: Time Traveler leaves Universe A and Time Point X to go back to Time Point Y. At the exact instant of Time Traveler's arrival at Time Point Y, Universe B is formed. Time Traveler does his stuff, then goes back to Time Point X, but is still in Universe A, even though he created Universe B, which is happily existing without him. Time Traveler says "Great Socks! Why did I waste my time?"
Option two.
But honestly I think Orci said all this just to run the Hardcore-non-fans in circles.
But honestly I think Orci said all this just to run the Hardcore-non-fans in circles.
But what if you were an average movie-goer (and intelligent) who was never a Star Trek fan, but is a good judge of quality films -- and you saw this movie and actually enjoyed it very much?
Why would being a Star Trek fan mean that the experience of seeing a quality film be different than if you were not a Star Trek fan? (assuming for the sake of argument that this is a quality film -- its faithfulness to the original material notwithstanding).
You don't need to feel an obligation towards seeing a movie...you just have to decide whether you think it will be an enjoyable film or not. It's just a movie.
Well then, that makes no sense if it's Option 2, because nothing changes. At least with Option 1, the original time line keeps going on, but you're IN the one you wanted to change.
It's possible that they're trying to drive the fans nuts, but I hope they don't go with Option 1, because that just doesn't make good movie sense, forget about Trek sense.
It's possible that they're trying to drive the fans nuts, but I hope they don't go with Option 1, because that just doesn't make good movie sense, forget about Trek sense.
And when 70-year-old hard science fiction authors get together to write a movie, it's usually a barn burner.
Interesting thoughts from Orci, I doubt it'll have any impact on the actual film. The filmmakers are going to interpret Kirk, Spock, and the rest. For all practical purposes, the new versions will be Kirk & Co. as far as most audiences are concerned. I for one am interested to see how Trek might play out if the characters, rather than the actors, are treated as the icons.
Exactly, this detail is only for the hardcore-non-fans.
It will more than likely make no difference when it comes
to the story, and it will continue on to everyone else as
if this is THE Trek Universe.
And that's pretty much how I'm going to look at it too.
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If this whole movie is just an alternate timeline then what need is there for Old Spock ? and why does Kirk have to provoke Young Spock in order to take over the Enterprise? We know that the "Mirror" universe continued after TOS and according to Orci it's the attack on the Kelvin that changes things, but it's not the "Mirror" universe I would assume. Maybe what Orci is saying that although small details have changed it's still the same universe which goes on into Picard and so on. If they wanted to do an alternate universe why not create new characters with new ships? Another thing that dosen't make sense is the details themselves that change. How would the attack on the Kelvin effect where the Enterprise was built(not that I care whether or not it was built in space or on Earth),but why would that change it from SanFran to Iowa? How the attck on the Kelvin ould change Kirk's sircumstances makes sense, but that does not. He still wasen't clear on why Old Spock was there, so maybe the timeline is restored or maybe the 2 universes are merged to form the "prime" universe.Who's to say that in other time travel episodes/movies that things were altered slightley , but nobody knew and most important things were restored or unaltered.
Thing is, you're back to what I said. It makes no sense that a whole universe then pops into existence, sharing the same history with another, only diverging at the point of the "popping". WHERE DOES THE ENERGY/MATTER COMPOSING IT COME FROM? And are all their theories about the creation of the universe (including how old it is) WRONG? Their universe only came to be a moment ago, yet all their text books and future observations will say there was a big bang billions/trillions of years ago.
It makes no sense.
Yes, I've seen stories using the "offshoot" line of thinking, but it still makes no sense, and is very disturbing.
Talk about Sam Beckett never being able to go home...
Oh good grief!
You just stabbed JJ, Orci, and the others in the heart!
I LOVE IT!
If it isn't possible to change the past but only create a divergent timeline, Spock could more or less say "good riddence" when Nero goes back in time.
What Nero does in the past wouldn't affect anything at all in the "real" TOS timeline. It'd just create a new parallel timeline. An alternate reality.
Their own story in itself (Spock ain't stupid) shows the results at the end of the film will NOT be a divergent, alternate timeline, but an altered version of the already existing TOS universe.
They're already contradicting themselves.
YAAAAAAYYY!
Just leave them be. Eventually they may fall asleep from exhaustion.
You're assuming that Spock follows Nero into the past, what if for some reason Spock travels with Nero and is stuck in the new timeline? That would be a pretty good reason for him to try to stop Nero from screwing with it.
True.
I am loving this. I get to continue my fanfic ideas on through the 25th century and still enjoy a rebooting of the series.
That doesn't sound at all like the Spock I know.
Since we don't know the whole plot, we don't know if events in the alternate timeline will effect "Old Spock's" timeline or not. Heck, we don't even know if "Old Spock" is from the familiar TOS timeline.If it isn't possible to change the past but only create a divergent timeline, Spock could more or less say "good riddence" when Nero goes back in time.
What Nero does in the past wouldn't affect anything at all in the "real" TOS timeline. It'd just create a new parallel timeline. An alternate reality.
Their own story in itself (Spock ain't stupid) shows the results at the end of the film will NOT be a divergent, alternate timeline, but an altered version of the already existing TOS universe.
They're already contradicting themselves.
YAAAAAAYYY!
It's a bit early to say the plot of this film contradicts anything.
How is this harder to believe than our own universe spontaneously creating itself out of nothing?
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