TOS rethunk...
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Uh-huh.
You might want to check the IMDB pages for the Shat and Nimoy, too; you'll see they "are" lots of people. Must be tough, keeping their taxes straight.
Like I said, I adore them in those roles. But, I think that a few people may be on to something when they say that these characters are going the way of Hamlet and Batman. Which could be a good sign, if you think of it a certain way. This means the characters have finally offically made the jump from cult TV show characters to real cultural icons. It's kind of nice that many of the original crew are still around to see that happen - I bet if you'd told them this would happen back in '67, they'd have peed themselves laughing.
I've been watching Shatner and Nimoy play Kirk and Spock since the show premiered on NBC.
I'm fine with the recasting. I can tell the difference between the actors and the characters, no problem.
I'm fine with the recasting. I can tell the difference between the actors and the characters, no problem.
ST-One
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It has to be said: What an ugly piece of shit! Look what they've done to our beautiful lady. Matt Jefferies is hanging his head in disgust somewhere up there.
And reading those spoilers of scenes and indications of characterization nails it that this has zero to do with our beloved TOS. To which I am eternally grateful to the Lord Almighty.
The only way I'll see this is on download from somewhere because no way in hell would I pay even a nickel otherwise.
At least now we can have a full title for this, er, film: Star Trek: Cloverfield
"...and the monster proved to be hideous beyond imagination."
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I may take a look at this. I don't expect it to mesh with TOS, and honestly think it would be better if they don't overtly try to do so. That series was made in a different time, and any attempt to recreate it too exactly is more likely to feel like a rehash or just generally lame.
The Star Trek francise needs a new look. We've had some 20 years of essentially TNG Trek, and Enterprise was at fault largely for giving more of the same. I think that show would have been better had they not worried so much about a Star Trek look, which amounted to another TNG series, and concentrated on how Earth started out into space and the mistakes and mishaps of early exploration.
If this movie tries to stay in a traditional TNG format it won't look at all like TOS, except in name only. That would make it far too bland for my liking. Nor do I expect it to remake TOS in lime lavish detail, which would be just an exercise in redundency (like the Psycho remake- so close in styly to the original why bother.)
I gotta say though, that Enterprise pic above rivals the Enterprise D for fugly.
The Star Trek francise needs a new look. We've had some 20 years of essentially TNG Trek, and Enterprise was at fault largely for giving more of the same. I think that show would have been better had they not worried so much about a Star Trek look, which amounted to another TNG series, and concentrated on how Earth started out into space and the mistakes and mishaps of early exploration.
If this movie tries to stay in a traditional TNG format it won't look at all like TOS, except in name only. That would make it far too bland for my liking. Nor do I expect it to remake TOS in lime lavish detail, which would be just an exercise in redundency (like the Psycho remake- so close in styly to the original why bother.)
I gotta say though, that Enterprise pic above rivals the Enterprise D for fugly.
The original E remains my favourite. The TMP refit comes in a close second. The D wasn't something I liked right off, but it grew on me to some extent. I've never liked the B, C and F versions.
The NX-01 bad isn't in of itself, but I could never accept it as a credible century old predecessor.
This new thing is a disgrace. It evokes the ugly designs and proportions we are now seeing in some new cars particularly from Chrysler. It looks like something a four year old child would draw.
I can envision different ways the basic MJ concept could have been reinterpreted and still result in something rather novel and appealing, but certainly not ungainly and ugly.
Every so often contemporary Trek PTB would slip something in that made an absurdity of the whole exercise: calling a Klingon Klang, calling a race the Remans who inhabit a part of a planet where the sun rarely if ever shines, and now this caricature of the most famous ship in science fiction. When these things crop up it strikes me that these people really have a latent contempt for the subject matter that they don't have the guts to admit openly.
The NX-01 bad isn't in of itself, but I could never accept it as a credible century old predecessor.
This new thing is a disgrace. It evokes the ugly designs and proportions we are now seeing in some new cars particularly from Chrysler. It looks like something a four year old child would draw.
I can envision different ways the basic MJ concept could have been reinterpreted and still result in something rather novel and appealing, but certainly not ungainly and ugly.
Every so often contemporary Trek PTB would slip something in that made an absurdity of the whole exercise: calling a Klingon Klang, calling a race the Remans who inhabit a part of a planet where the sun rarely if ever shines, and now this caricature of the most famous ship in science fiction. When these things crop up it strikes me that these people really have a latent contempt for the subject matter that they don't have the guts to admit openly.
What make The Enterprise so special for me was how the show made her one of the characters just as much as Kirk and company. The dramatic sting when the crew contacted the ship in orbit gave a sense of energy and heroism that has always felt lacking in subsequent series. It is an element that the modern producers don't bring to the table. The Kennedy challenge to put a man on the moon by the nd of the decade. The sense opf social revolution and change and excitement all come into play in the writing of TOS and the universe of the Federation.
Modern Trek is late cold war, corporate empire Trek. The business of an empire Gibbon should be writing about. That mood is what always kept me from cottoning overmuch to modern Trek like I do TOS. I really am not looking for this movie to recreate the feel of TOS, though I wish it would. I will likely be satisfied, if they get past TNG Trek. That has run its course and needs a rest.
Modern Trek is late cold war, corporate empire Trek. The business of an empire Gibbon should be writing about. That mood is what always kept me from cottoning overmuch to modern Trek like I do TOS. I really am not looking for this movie to recreate the feel of TOS, though I wish it would. I will likely be satisfied, if they get past TNG Trek. That has run its course and needs a rest.
ST-One
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The only way I'll see this is on download from somewhere because no way in hell would I pay even a nickel otherwise.
Because of the design?
No matter how good the story might be?
No matter how good the acting might be?
No matter how good the VFX might be?
You are not going to go to see this movie in the cinema, because you don't like the design?
That's sad. That's really sad.
Get a life!!!
I have to agree with Warped9. Something I usually dont do, when it concerns visual updates.
If they had gone with a retro update to the TOS-E, I would have loved it. But this is just TMP movie saucer glued to a new engineering hull and big ass nacelles. None of it invokes TOS at all. Im not opposed to visual continuity not being adhered to exaclty. I dont mind reasonable updates to.Stuff that looks like it can fit. The uniforms are great and the interior isntso bad. BUT this is just not believable for the Enterprise IMO,. I think Warped9 is going to find a few more allies against this movie today. That said I will still give it a chance but I am now going into it as it this a coimplete reboot. There is no way this is the past of all that came before. I just cant suspend my disbelief to include this new ship.
I could for the other visual stuff but this just went to far.
If they had gone with a retro update to the TOS-E, I would have loved it. But this is just TMP movie saucer glued to a new engineering hull and big ass nacelles. None of it invokes TOS at all. Im not opposed to visual continuity not being adhered to exaclty. I dont mind reasonable updates to.Stuff that looks like it can fit. The uniforms are great and the interior isntso bad. BUT this is just not believable for the Enterprise IMO,. I think Warped9 is going to find a few more allies against this movie today. That said I will still give it a chance but I am now going into it as it this a coimplete reboot. There is no way this is the past of all that came before. I just cant suspend my disbelief to include this new ship. I could for the other visual stuff but this just went to far.
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The only way I'll see this is on download from somewhere because no way in hell would I pay even a nickel otherwise.
Because of the design?
No matter how good the story might be?
No matter how good the acting might be?
No matter how good the VFX might be?
You are not going to go to see this movie in the cinema, because you don't like the design?
That's sad. That's really sad.
Get a life!!!
Was that necessary?
number6
Vice Admiral
The only way I'll see this is on download from somewhere because no way in hell would I pay even a nickel otherwise.
Because of the design?
No matter how good the story might be?
No matter how good the acting might be?
No matter how good the VFX might be?
You are not going to go to see this movie in the cinema, because you don't like the design?
That's sad. That's really sad.
Get a life!!!
Was that necessary?
It is, especially where he's posted the same identical comment in three consecutive threads now. Someone needs to find a hobby or buy a new pet goldfish, or something.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
The only way I'll see this is on download from somewhere because no way in hell would I pay even a nickel otherwise.
Because of the design?
No matter how good the story might be?
No matter how good the acting might be?
No matter how good the VFX might be?
You are not going to go to see this movie in the cinema, because you don't like the design?
That's sad. That's really sad.
Get a life!!!
Was that necessary?
Yes.
number6
Vice Admiral
QFT.
Here's a better iamge.
I'm not really sure what the problem is...its has a similar shape, but its beefed up and very sleek...if you lookat at it tip to tip (sit back a little) it has a grand design to it and I imagine it looks great close up.
As for the cast looking young, well duh, that fits the story, but they hardly look 90210-esque.
RAMA
I'm not really sure what the problem is...its has a similar shape, but its beefed up and very sleek...if you lookat at it tip to tip (sit back a little) it has a grand design to it and I imagine it looks great close up.
As for the cast looking young, well duh, that fits the story, but they hardly look 90210-esque.
RAMA
It looks distorted, like someone trying to draw the original but there's poor coordination between the eye, brain and hand.
And there's nothing odd in that. We make judgements all the time when we see advance material on upcoming films or TV shows. What we see and read guides us in whether we'll have sufficient interest to see a film. Nothing I've seen in this film interests me in the least. I would like to be interested, but I haven't been offered anything that arouses my interest.
Because everything I've heard and seen concerning this project just turns me OFF.
The only way I'll see this is on download from somewhere because no way in hell would I pay even a nickel otherwise.
Because of the design?
No matter how good the story might be?
No matter how good the acting might be?
No matter how good the VFX might be?
You are not going to go to see this movie in the cinema, because you don't like the design?
That's sad. That's really sad.
Get a life!!!
And there's nothing odd in that. We make judgements all the time when we see advance material on upcoming films or TV shows. What we see and read guides us in whether we'll have sufficient interest to see a film. Nothing I've seen in this film interests me in the least. I would like to be interested, but I haven't been offered anything that arouses my interest.
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Don't. Get. Personal.
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As for the ship? I'm a chick. I'm more interested in the STORY. A ship is just a machine to get them to the action, or on which the action takes place.
**ducks bricks**
Don't. Get. Personal.
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As for the ship? I'm a chick. I'm more interested in the STORY. A ship is just a machine to get them to the action, or on which the action takes place.
**ducks bricks**
You are not of the Body, Landru protect us!
Right. Which is far too young for command of a starship, or to be established in most any other line. It's more of this juvenilization of Hollywood, where little boys play spies and soldiers. Hell, the only adults in Hollywood who come to mind right off the bat are George Clooney and Denzel Washington.
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