Will Trek XI repel old fans?

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

... Resident Evil

Really?

Yes. That is the only movie I ever wanted to leave the cinema before it was over... but I was watching it with some friends , so I endured it to the end.

Yes, I took my brother to see that movie (he's a gamer) and it gave me a headache with all the flashy-- i.e. shoddy --camera work and the overly blown soundtrack. I tried to sleep through it but couldn't. The damn thing didn't have a story, nothing seems to go anywhere and the ending's revelation is pointless.

So far, a lot of us are seeing plenty of reasons to stay away from this thing like the plague.

"A lot" = 4 or 5 Internet posters.

Starship Polaris, you know that number includes a lot of "imaginary" haters, too.

[Haley Joel Osmat]I see lots and lots of naysayers.[/Haley Joel Osmat]

 

[M'Sharak]

...not to mention Manos: The Hands of Fate, Plan 9 From Outer Space, and Buckaroo Banzai.

Hey, I like Buckaroo Banzai!

 

[pookha]

uhh buckeroo was supposed to be campy and over the top.


and really when we are talking fans are we speaking of the general public who has seen tos and some of the movies.
who know who the crew are and some basic stuff about the crew and the ship.
who liked trek for its optimistic message in the face of great challenges or those who can debate minutiae that most of the general trek fans would go uh.

if the characters ring true in their interaction with each other and the story is compelling with that optimistic feel then a lot of the general trek fans will be drawn to the movie.

really things like the batman films, the bond films have gotten people used to seeing other actors playing the parts of characters they are familar with .

well except for one thing.
that silly hostess station on the bridge.
that may cause issues..

 

[JuanBolio]

Hey, I like Buckaroo Banzai!

uhh buckeroo was supposed to be campy and over the top.

I get that it was supposed to be campy, and I know a lot of people love it... but for me it was almost completely non-entertaining and rather tedious.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The only movie I can remember wanting to walk out of was "Dick Tracy."

I liked "Buckaroo Banzai" too.

 

[Kelso]

The only movie I can remember wanting to walk out of was "Dick Tracy."

I loved that movie! Though, I was nine years old at the time.

 

[M'Sharak]

Hey, I like Buckaroo Banzai!

uhh buckeroo was supposed to be campy and over the top.

I get that it was supposed to be campy, and I know a lot of people love it... but for me it was almost completely non-entertaining and rather tedious.

Oh, well. FWIW, Temis agrees with you.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

So far, a lot of us are seeing plenty of reasons to stay away from this thing like the plague.

Please do stay away.

I'll be there opening night, and hopefully many other nights as well. But even if it turns out to be the worst film ever made, I'll be seeing it in a cinema at least twice. Like all the other ST films, although some of those I saw many more times than twice.

ST XI will have to be pretty bad to beat "Queen of the Damned", "The Cat in the Hat", "Logan's Run", the last five "Police Academy" movies, or "The Howling Part 3: The Marsupials".

I can understand seeing it once. But, honestly, I can't wrap my head around rewarding a bad movie with repeat business. Also, isn't it setting the bar a bit low to say it only need be better than some of the worst movies (by your reckoning) ever made? I became a Trekkie because I felt that Trek was one of the best shows ever made. Why should I, as a fan, grade Trek on a curve? If Paramount were to hire a couple of chimps, dress one in gold and call him Kirk, the other in blue and call him Spock, then have them fling excrement at me, would I be duty-bound to sit for it so long as the whole extravaganza was called "Star Trek"? If so, could I at least wear a raincoat? (This gonna be my new sig, btw.)

Full disclosure: I've seen every Trek movie in a theatre but I waited for second run on Nemesis and, even then, only saw it on a lark. Even the ad campaign couldn't make that one look good.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I can understand seeing it once. But, honestly, I can't wrap my head around rewarding a bad movie with repeat business.

There's so much to take in on the first viewing. And, since i saw many ST movies on opening night, the crowds' cheers, boos and laughter drown out some of the dialogue. You need a second visit to get what you might have missed the first time.

Also, isn't it setting the bar a bit low to say it only need be better than some of the worst movies (by your reckoning) ever made? I became a Trekkie because I felt that Trek was one of the best shows ever made./quote]

Me too. Hey, my friends and I were very disappointed in ST V, but it was an hilarious movie to watch because we enjoyed laughing in all the wrong places.

I waited for second run on Nemesis and, even then, only saw it on a lark.

Sure, but larks are fun. If you're in the company of people in the same headspace at the time.

 

[StarTrek1701]

...not to mention Manos: The Hands of Fate, Plan 9 From Outer Space, Buckaroo Banzai and Serenity.

FTFY.

 

[StarTrek1701]

I think Nemesis being pretty much stillborn at the box office shows that the fans are not going to automatically show up like good little drones. They have to give us a better reason to show up on opening night than "It's a Star Trek film."

So far, a lot of us are seeing plenty of reasons to stay away from this thing like the plague.

Oh please do. There will only be about 1% of moviegoers who will hate this film based upon the released pictures anyways. They are not of any concern to the real fans.

 

[Therin of Andor]

There will only be about 1% of moviegoers who will hate this film based upon the released pictures anyways. They are not of any concern to the real fans.

The funny thing is, some fans have been so publicly determined that will avoid this movie that, if/when they do hear how great it might/will be, they won't be game to tell us that they actually went!

 

[xortex]

I just don't know why they couldn't imitate the designs and details from TOS better. That wouldn't make a difference to the story or actors. Esapecially since they never at least tried and that is sad. I like New Voyages, but the same things always get in the way that make Star Trek impossible to do again - power, greed and politics. And Fringe is horrible. Can you imagine the disappointment we are going to get from guys who are not Sci fi writers.

 

[archeryguy1701]

^I woudl imagine the reason that the designs ans details are closer to the TOS is because they're not trying to recreate or imitate TOS, but rather keep up with the changing times. What was all cool and futurey in 1967 isn't exactly futuristic now adays. Now, I'm not going to say that Abrams & Co have it right yet, but why should they stay locked in what was other than being able to say, "Hey, look fans! Jelly bean buttons! It's all just like you remember!"

A well-mimicked TOS bridge may make the fans happy, but it's gonna take more than just the fans to make the movie successful. And how many "general viewers" are going to go to a movie where everything looks like it got pulled straight out of the '60s?

 

[xortex]

^I woudl imagine the reason that the designs ans details are closer to the TOS is because they're not trying to recreate or imitate TOS, but rather keep up with the changing times. What was all cool and futurey in 1967 isn't exactly futuristic now adays. Now, I'm not going to say that Abrams & Co have it right yet, but why should they stay locked in what was other than being able to say, "Hey, look fans! Jelly bean buttons! It's all just like you remember!"

A well-mimicked TOS bridge may make the fans happy, but it's gonna take more than just the fans to make the movie successful. And how many "general viewers" are going to go to a movie where everything looks like it got pulled straight out of the '60s?

It bothers me that people think the present's future is more valid than the past's future. Or that the future isn't what it used to be. How clever. Abrams should have been more altruistic and kept Rodenberry from being booted out of his own universe. Face it, it is no longer just Rodenberry's universe. Now it is being shared by J.J. and his egotistical enterouge. It's a freakin hybrid now.

 

[Akiraprise]

Gene has, unfortunately, passed away. He can't be kicked out of his own universe.

 

[3D Master]

^I woudl imagine the reason that the designs ans details are closer to the TOS is because they're not trying to recreate or imitate TOS, but rather keep up with the changing times. What was all cool and futurey in 1967 isn't exactly futuristic now adays. Now, I'm not going to say that Abrams & Co have it right yet, but why should they stay locked in what was other than being able to say, "Hey, look fans! Jelly bean buttons! It's all just like you remember!"

A well-mimicked TOS bridge may make the fans happy, but it's gonna take more than just the fans to make the movie successful. And how many "general viewers" are going to go to a movie where everything looks like it got pulled straight out of the '60s?

Here's that idiot concept that just because you update the bridge it has to look vastly different and nothing like the sixty's tv shoestring budget bridge.

You could make the bridge so, that if you have a glimpse of the old bridge, followed by a glimpse of the new bridge, you'd say it's the same bridge.

But then you look at the new bridge longer, and meaningless radom blinking square lights become fully featured meaningful readouts, the buttons seem like they have meaning, including a keyboard, instead of just some random buttons, screens function, the chairs are less clunky, the consoles are a bit more streamlined, the color scheme as a slightly different contrast and color levels to give it just that more stylized look instead of shoestring budget feel, etc. etc. etc.

It would have been an awesome bridge, that looked every bit as modern and 21st century than iBridge TM, yet would seem like it could have been the bridge in TOS all along.

But alas, they don't seem to have even bothered.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

You could make the bridge so, that if you have a glimpse of the old bridge, followed by a glimpse of the new bridge, you'd say it's the same bridge.

Here's a thought: maybe they didn't want the moviegoers' first reaction to be "it's the same it's always been!". Maybe they'd rather have the moviegoers go: "wow, it's exciting!"

 

[btflash]

Yeah, fuck those old fans, they've only kept the franchise alive for 40 years... Fuck 'em for not wanting someone else to fuck up their favorite franchise even further than it has been in the lsat couple of series...

well said!

 

[Haggis and tatties]

I am a old fan and i will be there on opening night, i really am looking forward to this, and hopefully it will breath new life into the old dog.......i mean i have not seen any new Trek since Enterprise, and i only watched the first year of that and a few sporadic episodes from the next couple of seasons and it was not my cup of tea, so its been a long time since i was this excited about some new Trek.

I am really looking forward too it.