I didn't say "more". I said "many". Big difference.
Brandon Routh may return to Superman after all
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I didn't say "more". I said "many". Big difference.
Dagman, it wasn't Batman's "ass-kicking" that brought in the big bucks for TDK. I barely remember a single fight, come to think of it, I can't even remember if Bats and the Joker actually physically fought each other. If I remember correctly there was a 20 second scuffle before the Joker ended up over the side of the building.
I wouldn't say that at all. You want homoerotic overtones with Lex Luthor? Watch Superman: Doomsday. ("Who's your daddy?"
)It's ironic that you would say this considering that Bryan Singer once called Superman Returns the "most heterosexual" film he's ever made.
I wouldn't say that at all. You want homoerotic overtones with Lex Luthor? Watch Superman: Doomsday. ("Who's your daddy?"
It's ironic that you would say this considering that Bryan Singer once called Superman Returns the "most heterosexual" film he's ever made.
Well, there is what he said, and then there is the truth. I called it Brokeback Superman. I read a story that the actor Routh was upset that they didn't make him look masculine enough at some overseas premiere, during the publicity stuff.
I wouldn't mind Routh playing Superman again. The failure of the SR wasn't his fault, and I'd like to see what he could do with a better script (and costume).
I wouldn't say that at all. You want homoerotic overtones with Lex Luthor? Watch Superman: Doomsday. ("Who's your daddy?"
It's ironic that you would say this considering that Bryan Singer once called Superman Returns the "most heterosexual" film he's ever made.
I think that "most heterosexual" comment was damage control. Prior to that he said he wanted the actor playing Superman to come out of the closet during the movie publicity. Originally it was rumored that the actor would be Jim Caviezel(in the soon to be released, already filmed Outlander). So it would be like Jesus and Superman coming out of the closet at the same time.
Umm...what?
The reports of Brandon Routh being gay are horrible inaccurate, since he's engaged to get married to a lovely woman. Singer also said that Superman Returns was his most heterosexual film before the film actually was officially released, so how is that damage control?
And Singer vehemently and strongly denied the Jim Caveizel rumors. Those were initiated by Mark Millar, who erroneously misled many by proclaiming that without a doubt Caviezel was cast as the new Superman.
Yeah, like that provided to be at all true.
The reports of Brandon Routh being gay are horrible inaccurate, since he's engaged to get married to a lovely woman. Singer also said that Superman Returns was his most heterosexual film before the film actually was officially released, so how is that damage control?
And Singer vehemently and strongly denied the Jim Caveizel rumors. Those were initiated by Mark Millar, who erroneously misled many by proclaiming that without a doubt Caviezel was cast as the new Superman.
Yeah, like that provided to be at all true.
Once again you are reading things I did not write. I only made reference to TDK's box office, not it's content. I basically said that if Warner Bros. wants a box office like they had with TDK, Superman will have to kick some ass in the next film. In SR, he didn't throw a single punch. He didn't even finger-flick unconscious the guy who shot him in the eye. The sixth season finale of Smallville had more action to it than SR. That's not the way to go if they want to see a $400M+ domestic gross blockbuster of a film.
You have to blow the audience's mind to make the big bucks. In TDK, the Joker and Two-Face blew the audience's mind and made the film. Sure, Bale's Batman was great. But we had already seen that in BB, and if Nolan had relied on just him and a new suit the film would have been as much a disappointment that SR was. But Nolan knows how to sell his work and what it takes to put people in the seats. Singer doesn't. He made a film he liked, riding on his inflated rep from the X-Men films and that it had been nearly 20 years since the big red S was on the big screen. That only took him to what Warner Bros. considers a break even point, and it is why he likely won't be back. It is a real sad state when Superman isn't even the most heroic person in his own film.
Nail hit the head on your post. Bravo!
They "fought" in the interrogation scene...Batman with fists and questions, and the Joker with ambiguity
Not once, anywhere ever was such a comment made by anyone involved with Superman Returns... what are you reading!?
I'm not saying Nolan isn't a brilliant director, he absolutely is, but I think they both know how to put people in seats. Singer's career thus far has by and large been extremely successful. Everything else you've stated is entirely subjective, the mention of Superman Returns only breaking even is also only conjecture and best guess work.
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Conjecture? I don't think so.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm
The movie had a production budget of $270M and it's domestic take was just $200M. That doesn't include marketing costs for all those ads that were run for months before the film came out, which some estimates put at another $100M. The foreign market helped, but then you have to factor in costs for international distribution and advertisement. When you add all that up and pay the people what they have coming from the back-end, I believe it is more than just conjecture that SR just broke even or actually lost money in the eyes of Warner Bros. the company. Now, most studios really just consider domestic box office to determine if a movie is successful or not. And by that measurement, Superman Returns was a dismal failure at the box office.
Singer made his fanfic of the continuation of Donner's Superman while Warner Bros. wanted a big blockbuster and spent the money to get it. They trusted him to do a lot with the money they gave him (X-Men only cost $75M and brought in over $157M domestically, and X2 was $110M spent/$215M domestic take) and he failed to deliver what they wanted. He disappointed Warner Bros. and he disappointed the fans WB was counting on for another $200M domestically. That's why he won't be back. And it is likely he won't have another film with a budget much larger than $100M since he cannot seem to break the ~$200M domestic take to justify a larger budget.
Hell, when you factor in ticket price increases X2 sold far more tickets than Superman Returns did. That's not conjecture. That is hard, cold numbers.
I realize you must have really liked SR for all your attempts to shoot down my arguments and opinions. But just because YOU like something doesn't make it good or successful. Hell, I like Smallville but I have no illusions that it is some great masterpiece of television. And look at all the Firefly fans on this forum for another example. You can still like something and accept it being a failure either financially or in quality(or both). It's okay.
Maybe, maybe not. Everyone has different numbers, some suggesting that the production budget was far higher than it really was. Some estimates assign millions of dollars spent on pre-SR development (like Nicolas Cage's pay-or-play deal) to SR. Who really knows if such things are even on the studio's balance sheet for Superman Returns?
One thing we know for a fact is that Warner Bros' financial exposure has been reduced because they have a co-investor, Legendary Pictures. The latter company also provided financing for Batman Begins, 10,000 BC, The Dark Knight and other WB films. And Legendary has a deal with WB to produce more films (the types that keep us happy here at TrekBBS).
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I liked Routh as Supes myself. And he was also a great Clark Kent (in that Christopher Reeves tradition). Unfortunately 'Superman Returns' did not give us a whole lot of Clark.
A reboot makes me a bit uncomfortable - I hope they keep in mind that Superman is NOT Batman. And it would be nice to see something from the badguy side besides more of Luthor's land schemes.
A reboot makes me a bit uncomfortable - I hope they keep in mind that Superman is NOT Batman. And it would be nice to see something from the badguy side besides more of Luthor's land schemes.
I wouldn't say that at all. You want homoerotic overtones with Lex Luthor? Watch Superman: Doomsday. ("Who's your daddy?"
It's ironic that you would say this considering that Bryan Singer once called Superman Returns the "most heterosexual" film he's ever made.
I think that "most heterosexual" comment was damage control. Prior to that he said he wanted the actor playing Superman to come out of the closet during the movie publicity. Originally it was rumored that the actor would be Jim Caviezel(in the soon to be released, already filmed Outlander). So it would be like Jesus and Superman coming out of the closet at the same time.
I think by "most heterosexual" he meant the fact it was a love story between a guy and, you know, a girl, and how this love triangle between three (straight) people plays out through the movie.
In fact there were no gay overtones whatsoever, unless Superman being a little reflective and introspective in this movie somehow counts as being "gay." Which is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
I think Routh could certainly play a stronger Superman next time.
Superman Returns Superman was kind of passive and quiet. Superman isn't really challenged at all in SR. I mean, if you think about it, even badly injured he still screws Lex over in about 30 seconds. THe action scenes were good, but they are buried under a mountain of sappy nonsense.
http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=3110
This sounds like a bad soap opera that's been done to death on lifetime.
How do you figure out what your place is in that woman's life? According to SR, like this:
1. Act shocked that the girlfriend you dumped without warning or explanation 5 years ago isn't still pining for you.
2. Sneak over to her house and eavesdrop on her new family for a while.
3. Sneak up onto the roof, corner her, and give her this bullshit excuse about not knowing what to say. Sorry I dumped you...so...want a night on the town? I insist. Hubby won't miss you.
4. Discover she had your kid so visit the house to talk to him with Lois about the situation...oh wait, sorry, that would be the non-creep, adult way to handle it. Sneak in to see the kid first, then talk to Lois. Because Superman doesn't believe in knocking on doors or private property. Or including Lois in his little chat session. Or...even waking the kid up. Whatever, man.
5. "I'll be seeing you."
Yes, Superman Returns is really...um...something.
Superman Returns Superman was kind of passive and quiet. Superman isn't really challenged at all in SR. I mean, if you think about it, even badly injured he still screws Lex over in about 30 seconds. THe action scenes were good, but they are buried under a mountain of sappy nonsense.
http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=3110
This sounds like a bad soap opera that's been done to death on lifetime.
How do you figure out what your place is in that woman's life? According to SR, like this:
1. Act shocked that the girlfriend you dumped without warning or explanation 5 years ago isn't still pining for you.
2. Sneak over to her house and eavesdrop on her new family for a while.
3. Sneak up onto the roof, corner her, and give her this bullshit excuse about not knowing what to say. Sorry I dumped you...so...want a night on the town? I insist. Hubby won't miss you.
4. Discover she had your kid so visit the house to talk to him with Lois about the situation...oh wait, sorry, that would be the non-creep, adult way to handle it. Sneak in to see the kid first, then talk to Lois. Because Superman doesn't believe in knocking on doors or private property. Or including Lois in his little chat session. Or...even waking the kid up. Whatever, man.
5. "I'll be seeing you."
Yes, Superman Returns is really...um...something.
A boring movie with even more boring fans of it, trying to justify how good it is.
Can somebody refresh my memory as to why WB thinks Superman Returns was bad? I read something about its box office returns...But I was under the impression it made a lot of money?
It made money, just not the amount of money they (WB) were expecting.
I had already posted the answer to your question a couple of posts back...
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