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The "Would you please do..." Thread
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Making a little progress on setting up the "Pike:TNG" bridge consoles ...
The McCoy images are just placeholders for the displays, with the entire console surface being a single, bent 'plexi' surface; the surface control grid is also just a placeholder - I don't know whether I'm going to try to create the control layouts myself, or invite someone who likes doing LCARS-like controls to try their hand at it ... I'd think it would look more TOS-like, but as graphics, than LCARS style.
looks great Ptrope! Even in its unfinished state this gives us a good feel for how futuristic the original can look w/just a wee bit of a face lift. One suggestion though, the images in the upper panel should still have a hint of being seperate displays w/ slightly visable borders behind the plexi. In my mind I see maybe one large display screen on one side, and then maybe a bank of say, nine small screens, on the other, with possibly only three 'on' at any given time, giving us the illusion of the staggered, 'stair step' displays we saw in Pike's bridge? And of course some of the console screens around the bridge could come in various shapes; rectangles, squares, circles, etc. Anywho, keep up the great work, and thanks again!
Why?
Ptrope has done an outstanding job of bring to life the possibilities of the original Cage design. I've always felt that the addition of what looked like individual CRT displays was a massive step backwards. It should be one large display with each image being analogous to individual document windows that we are used to seeing today.
Honestly, what Ptrope has here is what I would have done to update the bridge consoles for Star Trek XI. It is beautiful.
Why?
Ptrope has done an outstanding job of bring to life the possibilities of the original Cage design. I've always felt that the addition of what looked like individual CRT displays was a massive step backwards. It should be one large display with each image being analogous to individual document windows that we are used to seeing today.
Honestly, what Ptrope has here is what I would have done to update the bridge consoles for Star Trek XI. It is beautiful.
Not that it's any of your business Shaw,
but if you don't get it, allow me to spell it out. But where to begin? Mmm let's see, first of all, In the parts of my post that you failed to quote, I did compliment Ptrope on his excellent design and specifically mentioned that I thought it was very futuristic looking, so essentially, we seem to find ourselves in rare agreement.
Second of all, in so far as his work is part of a separate larger project he is untertaking for himself, he is of course, free to do it any way he likes. I was not attempting to evaluate his work on this basis however. Thirdly, what I was trying to do, in the spirit of this "would you please do" thread, is be more specific along the lines I was thinking per my original request upthread (which you evidently did not read?) in which I said I would like to to see what Pike's bridge would look like if updated using some of the set construction technologies we saw in some of the later movies, while at the same time staying close to what the designers intended and/or what they might have done with the same budget and technology, as I feel "The Cage" bridge in particular lends itself easily to such an undertaking. Ptrope was kind enough to take a stab at it ,for which I am much apreciative.
Finally, in closing let me say, honestly Shaw I don't know why you bothered to post unless it was to pick a fight?
It seems it's not enough for you to be overly sensitive to percieved criticism of your own work, now you have to overly sensitive on behalf of others? Your post has the air of some buttinsky who interupts in the middle of a private conversation with an inane argument that has no bearing on the topic at hand. In the interest of reconciliation however, wouldn't better use of your time be spent in bringing us more of your own excellent work? I'm looking forward to seeing more of your TOS deck plans as much as I am more of Ptrope's Cage bridge redux!
Firstly... did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
If asking why is all it takes to pick a fight with you, I'm the least of your troubles here.
And why should I bother posting more stuff if I'm overly sensitive... the best way to avoid criticism is to post nothing. And as it seems like that thread is at the heart of your animosity towards me, maybe it would be better to keep my work private until it's done and you guys can find it on your own if you want to. I thought I was sharing my work with everyone, to enjoy and to use for their similar projects, but now I'm seeing that maybe it is just causing bad feelings to other people (like you).
So yeah, actually, a better use of my time would be towards projects that help pay the bills rather than ones for the community. I'm glad you pointed out the error in my ways.
Sorry, but I don't keep a score card. Were we in some sort of fight? Are you holding some form of grudge for something I did to you?
I ask why you wanted to break up what was a beautiful display into something more limited than what was originally intended in The Cage.
If asking why is all it takes to pick a fight with you, I'm the least of your troubles here.
And out of left field...
Public forum, public conversation. If you wanted something private, PM people.
Again, I'm out of the loop here... where was the thing that caused this anger towards me that now must be reconciled? Are you telling me that the only place in this forum I should be posting is in my deck plans thread?
And why should I bother posting more stuff if I'm overly sensitive... the best way to avoid criticism is to post nothing. And as it seems like that thread is at the heart of your animosity towards me, maybe it would be better to keep my work private until it's done and you guys can find it on your own if you want to. I thought I was sharing my work with everyone, to enjoy and to use for their similar projects, but now I'm seeing that maybe it is just causing bad feelings to other people (like you).
So yeah, actually, a better use of my time would be towards projects that help pay the bills rather than ones for the community. I'm glad you pointed out the error in my ways.
Re: It's The Klingons Captain, They're Hailing Us.....
really looks retro 
I like this. pretty neatSomething like this? I came up with this one about 4 years ago. About all it's missing is the flames coming out the back end and the strings to hold it up!
really looks retro
Well, Shaw, I slept on it last night, and I'm quite certain I got out on the right side of the bed this morning.
So let's try this again. No, there's no past animosity toward you, your first post above was sufficiant to warrent the reply as given, It's all right there, no need to go looking any further, but it was late and perhaps I was a bit grumpy? Actually, I was wondering if maybe you had something against me for some past criticisms (either real or percieved) because I genuinly feel there's nothing in my suggestions to Ptrope that should warrent such a reply, I should think that the answer to your question "why" should be self evident? A) This is, after all, "The would you please do" thread, not Ptrope's own thread showcasing his version of Pike's bridge. If it were, I never would have said what I did. Since other people have asked for, and gotten, for the most part, what they wanted in this thread, don't I have the right to be more specific in defining what it is I want, without being taken to task for it?. B) I figured you'd nick pick on the "private conversation" analogy, being as it was, of course, just that, an analogy, and as such like all analogies, not 100% applicable to the medium were using. My point was, that since Ptrope was the one who kindly offered to attemp my request, a certain amount of 'back and forth', 'give and take' is to be expacted between us in order to zoom in on what it is I asked for? If he feels as if I'm unfairly criticising his work, he is quite capable of saying so himself, no third party need interject! C) As such, I feel it is your post that "came out of left field" coming as it did, hot on the heels, of my very first attempt to refine my request so that it might come closer to what I had in mind, If Ptrope feels he doesn't want to modify his work thats fine, but he can tell me that himself. D) And with all due respect Shaw, I think I know what I want better than you, so commenting that it is not what you would have done serves no useful purpose whatsoever, your welcome to make your own request in this thread If you want. Finally maybe I'm misreading you but it seemed you were defending Ptrope from what you percieved as criticism? If so, let me reasure you that was not my intention. Could it be Shaw, it was because, as you said, that Ptrope's work here is so similar to what you would have done, that perhaps you took it more personally than you should have, and felt the need to interject? I'm not the only one, or the first one, who has noticed that you come across as overly sensitive to percieved criticism, (as your second post above demonstrates) so maybe you fired off your first post from a knee jerk reaction before giving it due thought? Anywho, no hard feeling, (I hope) let's get back to the topic at hand, shall we?
So let's try this again. No, there's no past animosity toward you, your first post above was sufficiant to warrent the reply as given, It's all right there, no need to go looking any further, but it was late and perhaps I was a bit grumpy? Actually, I was wondering if maybe you had something against me for some past criticisms (either real or percieved) because I genuinly feel there's nothing in my suggestions to Ptrope that should warrent such a reply, I should think that the answer to your question "why" should be self evident? A) This is, after all, "The would you please do" thread, not Ptrope's own thread showcasing his version of Pike's bridge. If it were, I never would have said what I did. Since other people have asked for, and gotten, for the most part, what they wanted in this thread, don't I have the right to be more specific in defining what it is I want, without being taken to task for it?. B) I figured you'd nick pick on the "private conversation" analogy, being as it was, of course, just that, an analogy, and as such like all analogies, not 100% applicable to the medium were using. My point was, that since Ptrope was the one who kindly offered to attemp my request, a certain amount of 'back and forth', 'give and take' is to be expacted between us in order to zoom in on what it is I asked for? If he feels as if I'm unfairly criticising his work, he is quite capable of saying so himself, no third party need interject! C) As such, I feel it is your post that "came out of left field" coming as it did, hot on the heels, of my very first attempt to refine my request so that it might come closer to what I had in mind, If Ptrope feels he doesn't want to modify his work thats fine, but he can tell me that himself. D) And with all due respect Shaw, I think I know what I want better than you, so commenting that it is not what you would have done serves no useful purpose whatsoever, your welcome to make your own request in this thread If you want. Finally maybe I'm misreading you but it seemed you were defending Ptrope from what you percieved as criticism? If so, let me reasure you that was not my intention. Could it be Shaw, it was because, as you said, that Ptrope's work here is so similar to what you would have done, that perhaps you took it more personally than you should have, and felt the need to interject? I'm not the only one, or the first one, who has noticed that you come across as overly sensitive to percieved criticism, (as your second post above demonstrates) so maybe you fired off your first post from a knee jerk reaction before giving it due thought? Anywho, no hard feeling, (I hope) let's get back to the topic at hand, shall we?
See, I'm still not getting where you are coming from in your hostility, so I'm going to assume that it predates my post as nothing in my post was said in a way that was either against you or defending Ptrope. I asked why and then qualified that why question. I also complimented Ptrope on his work which wasn't an attempt to say you hadn't complimented him.
If I had thought that you had considered what I was asking, then I wouldn't have asked. Why such a question would send you into a tirade is beyond me... which is (again) why I'm pretty sure you had some previous animosity.
Again, my why wasn't defending Ptrope or attacking you, just a simple, innocent question.
And again, I was just asking a simple question and just qualifying where the question was coming from.
No, just asking a simple question.
I took nothing personal until your reply to me... which was a significant personal attack.
Which is more than enough to prove that your feelings towards me predate this encounter, and why I'm no longer sharing my work-in-progress (as that is the only place I can recall us ever having the opportunity to disagree... which you said we seemed to do quite a lot, though I wasn't able to find it).
So yeah, please go back to the topic at hand, it isn't like anything you could say at this point would undo anything you've already said anyways. This second post has strongly reinforced the impression I got from your first. Thanks for the clarification.
