Terminator-201 "Samson & Delilah" - Discuss/Grade <Spoiler>

[Tim]

She Begs for her life?

That was a tactic to get John to stop. They are programmed with psychology as part of their subroutines. She exploited his feelings for her.

Or did she? The script and direction were careful in leaving that issue unresolved. Cameron was telling the truth about being "fixed" (as far as we know), and the lie wouldn't quite jive with her telling Sarah not to let John reactivate her if she were to "go bad" again. We have seen suggestions of nascent emotions in Season 1, so perhaps the character is growing in this way. I'd certainly like to see this angle explored by the writers a bit during Season 2.

Heck, if Cameron were faking and I were John, I'd fall for it...but that's probably because Summer Glau is such a cutie. Another poster nailed it in writing that Glau has an uncommon radiance that sets her apart from the dime-a-dozen Hollywood Hottie.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I think it was resolved by the HUD, at least in my opinion. When she looks at John it does flash Terminate initially, unless she sees terminate every time she sees him in the show.

Spoiler: Future of the series

It's been revealed that one of the characters we trust is going to be a threat before the end of the season. I think it'll be Cameron. Maybe all of her directives have been deleted.

Spoiler: Then again (Cameron Spoilers)

Cameron is supposed to be very jealous of John and Riley this season.

 

[Samurai8472]

Since I was out what was the

- There will be a major betrayal in the episode - and it's not who we think.

^ The T-1000 series was designed for advanced infiltration (even more so than the T-800 series and the T-888). They were designed to be able to think on their feet and adapt - there is even a novel told from the perspective of one. It is so advanced that even Skynet (in the Terminator Expanded Universe) fears the T-1000 because it is more advanced and adaptive than it is (making Skynet somewhat obsolete). They can be programmed with entire cover stories and histories to aid in their infiltration. It seems to me that this is what they're doing.

The turk was nothing in its infancy but now with the "Ms Silver" as I like to call her spearheading babylon, John and crew might aswell write off the future.

She's probably putting in ideas like T-1's and maybe suggesting nanites(which would be the first steps toward a T1000 before T-600's etc"

 

[Aragorn]

Since Garret Dillahunt's been added to the main cast, are we going to get to see bad terminator have character development too? Maybe get a girlfriend? A job at a bar? An addiction to Rock Band?

 

[nx1701g]

Since I was out what was the

- There will be a major betrayal in the episode - and it's not who we think.

John turned against Sarah's wishes and reactivated Cameron.

^ The T-1000 series was designed for advanced infiltration (even more so than the T-800 series and the T-888). They were designed to be able to think on their feet and adapt - there is even a novel told from the perspective of one. It is so advanced that even Skynet (in the Terminator Expanded Universe) fears the T-1000 because it is more advanced and adaptive than it is (making Skynet somewhat obsolete). They can be programmed with entire cover stories and histories to aid in their infiltration. It seems to me that this is what they're doing.

The turk was nothing in its infancy but now with the "Ms Silver" as I like to call her spearheading babylon, John and crew might aswell write off the future.

She's probably putting in ideas like T-1's and maybe suggesting nanites(which would be the first steps toward a T1000 before T-600's etc"

Actually this did happen in a Terminator novel series. Skynet sent back many terminators to establish it's infrastructure. One such thing was an automated factory complex under the direct control of the AI.

T-1000's take too long, however, to successfully create so they would still have the same progression (at least in theory). Skynet still hadn't perfected them in 2029 and they were still advanced prototypes. The same may be happening here.

 

[Tim]

^ I think it was resolved by the HUD, at least in my opinion. When she looks at John it does flash Terminate initially, unless she sees terminate every time she sees him in the show.

Good point. There's just enough ambiguity to keep it interesting.

Spoiler: Future of the series

It's been revealed that one of the characters we trust is going to be a threat before the end of the season. I think it'll be Cameron. Maybe all of her directives have been deleted.

Spoiler: the threat...

Shades of RoboCop 2? I don't think it'll be Cameron as that's almost too obvious a choice...though it does seem that she is going to struggle with her damage for at least part of the season.

And just for fun, here's a comparison of Cameron's "meltdown" to HAL9000's.

HAL9000: "Dave...stop. Stop, will you. Stop, Dave. Will you stop, Dave. Stop, Dave. I'm afraid...I'm afraid, Dave. Dave...my mind is going...I can feel it...I can feel it. My mind is going...there is no question about it...I can feel it...I can feel it...I can feel it. I'm a-fraid..."

Cameron: "You can't do this. You don't know what you're about to do. No, John, you can't do this. You're not doing the right thing. This is not the right thing. You can trust me now. She doesn't know. Everything's good now. I ran a test. I'm perfect. I'm sorry for what I did. I'm sorry. You have to understand it wasn't me...that wasn't me. You can't let this happen. John, you can't...PLEASE! Listen to me! I don't want to go! Please! Please John! I don't want to go! Listen...I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm fixed now. I ran a test. You can trust me! I love you! I love you John and you love me."

Well acted.

 

[Sephiroth]

i say that B.A.G. has a chip in his head

 

[nx1701g]

^ Very plausible. I really think it'll end up being John Connor was the one experimenting on them in that safe house. All of the Terminators seen in that episode (including the ones that captured the team) were seen in the Resistance Bunker reprogrammed.

 

[Sephiroth]

wouldn't be suprised, even to hear that John Himself has a chip, they REALLY need to clarify what happened in that house

 

[nx1701g]

^ I don't really think that John has a chip. They have said though that he prefers the company of the machines over the humans in the future.

 

[Sephiroth]

could future-john have been replaced or implanted? could SKYnet know the true depth of it's genesis

 

[Frontier]

Music in opening scene = CRAP!

Reveal of what's-her-spunk being a T-1000? FRAKKING AWESOME!

 

[Zod]

Very cool. I knew something was wrong with that woman but I certainly didn't expect her to be a T-1000! Very interesting.

 

[Hobs202]

Excellent!

The end where it reveals that Weaver is a T-1000 was awesome! I guess Skynet really is actively trying to re-create its future, or at least, it knows what Sarah and John are up to and is trying to counter them.

I'm a little iffy about the new intro - but at least it clears up that "Skynet has sent machines back through time - some to kill him - one to protect him" business.

Also, I can't tell if it was Sarah or John who killed Sarkissian. I think it was John - it's seriously hint that he did it.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Above average. Just about anything would've been a little bit of a letdown after the season finale.

One thing that struck me was that when John gave Cameron the gun, her display initially read "Terminate", but then switched to "Termination override". Could Cameron have over-ridden her own programming to save John?

 

[Aragorn]

Unless the damage to Cameron's chip somehow allowed her to override her default programming. Or perhaps it was the love that John put into it when polishing it with a dirty rag.

Maybe John used that rag to wipe up something else he polished and that changed Cameron.

 

[Agent Richard07]

One thing that struck me was that when John gave Cameron the gun, her display initially read "Terminate", but then switched to "Termination override". Could Cameron have over-ridden her own programming to save John?

I was thinking that she could have pulled the trigger in the brief moment her programming said "terminate".

 

[nx1701g]

Also, I can't tell if it was Sarah or John who killed Sarkissian. I think it was John - it's seriously hint that he did it.

Spoiler: Dekker

Thomas Dekker says in an interview with TVGuide that: "John does something in the season premire that changes his outlook on life. He becomes more and more like the machines, cold and methodical."

 

[Tim]

Aragorn:

^ I was thinking that she could have pulled the trigger in the brief moment her programming said "terminate".

True...which lead me to think there was some internal battle with the default programming and the "good" Cameron was able to override it. And perhaps she's just barely able to maintain that override, setting up the events indicated in the promos.

 

[nx1701g]

One thing that struck me was that when John gave Cameron the gun, her display initially read "Terminate", but then switched to "Termination override". Could Cameron have over-ridden her own programming to save John?

In previous Terminator incarnations a Terminator could not override its orders to terminate a target on its own unless ordered to do so by a superior unit or Skynet itself. It couldn't override on its own.

I sincerely wonder if Skynet may have deactivated it. Terminators have built in communication systems, maybe its somehow connected to The Turk or the T-1000? Just a theory.