Two-Face is dead.
Lingering Questions from 'The Dark Knight'...
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I totally agree Two-Face is dead...without a doubt. Actually, I'm so sure that what is shown onscreen is a dead body and that thematically there is no more use for Two Face, if they do bring him back, I'll be greatly disappointed. I'm not sure they should even use a villain, per se', in the next one. The Joker is the only villain that would make sense. Barring the impossibility of that, unless they want to re-cast which I doubt and I wouldn't want to be that actor if they did, Batman himself should be the villain of the next one.
My lingering question from The Dark Knight? How did Rachel survive that fall?
My lingering question from The Dark Knight? How did Rachel survive that fall?
Interesting... can you give a source? I'd like to check that out...
What specifically, on-screen, convinced you that it was a dead body?
The one thing that would've proven this would've been that, when he head was rolled from one side to the other, it moved in the rubbery "unnatural" way that is such a telltale sign of a broken neck.
There's no doubt that what was shown on-screen was not a man with a broken neck. Whether or not that's just a minor "glitch" caused by wanting to use the actual actor instead of a dummy or a CGI version... or whether it means that his neck is not really broken... that's subject to debate. But there's NO QUESTION that what's captured on film is not a man with a broken neck.
Also, what "fall for Rachael" are y ou referring to? I don't believe that she ever fell... period... in that movie.
When she was thrown out the building by The Joker. As to T'Baio's question, Batman's cape broke some of the fall. It's not clear, I admit, but that's how a lot of have interpreted the scene.
AH... sorry, I crossed wires... I thought you were talking about the first movie re: Rachael.
Obviously she survived the fall because Batman caught her and used his fancy cape to slow the fall... but yeah, there should've been some broken bones and serious bruises, at least, as a result of that. You're absolutely right.
I was not under the impression that Two-Face was dead at the end of this movie. Of course, it appeared he might be, but there was no reason to believe he absolutely was (i.e., no statements by the characters confirming death), and that fact leads me to believe that he survived and will appear in future installments.
You mean literally? Because the script specifically points out that Two-Face is dead, and even goes to say "his neck is broken". Quoted verbatim.
I'm not getting the Not Dead thing.
It would be a very strange and ridiculous scene if he were not to be dead. Batman moves Dent's head from side to side, then drops it. No one makes a move or makes any indication he needs medical assistance. No one winks or makes plans. No one explains to a kid why a broken, but quite alive person, is being left on the pavement while they stand around making important end of movie speeches. And the police, the ones not chasing Batman, are presumably right there on the scene a couple of seconds later. One of them would notice the not dead guy lying on the pavement I would think.
They have a funeral.
So very, very dead.
It would be a very strange and ridiculous scene if he were not to be dead. Batman moves Dent's head from side to side, then drops it. No one makes a move or makes any indication he needs medical assistance. No one winks or makes plans. No one explains to a kid why a broken, but quite alive person, is being left on the pavement while they stand around making important end of movie speeches. And the police, the ones not chasing Batman, are presumably right there on the scene a couple of seconds later. One of them would notice the not dead guy lying on the pavement I would think.
They have a funeral.
So very, very dead.
What the script says and what "really happens" are different things.
Nothing was conveyed on-screen to definitively tell the audiance Dent was really dead beyond the public service which could've been done to maintain apperances. They can easily back out of this if they want to.
Then you miss the entire point of the end of the film. Batman took on Dent's murders because he died.
Why would Gordon go along with it if Dent was truly alive? Why would he smash the bat-signal, basically making Batman an outlaw? It doesn't make sense.
As T'Baio said, having Dent live ruins the integrity of the ending of The Dark Knight. Also, the script was written by Jonathan and Christopher Nolan. It specifically says he's dead. How the hell did it change in the movie? In the final film, Dent is dead. He has a funeral, Batman takes on his murders, what more evidence do people friggin' need?
It makes sense as it is. Because for all intents and purposes he is dead, as that's what the script says and that's the way it is. But there's room to bring him back if the film-makers decide too and if they do that shouldn't harm the sacrifice Batman and Gordon made.
Hell, we could "reason" that they DID think he was dead and some of The Joker's goons (Harley Quinn??) picked him up as EMTs, revived him and kept him hiding. There's room to bring him back.
What are you talking about? did you miss entirely the point of the film? The myth of Harvey is the hero that Gotham needed at the end of the film.
To have a manic Harvey Dent running around with a machine gun committing bank robberies completely negates that and the sacrifices that all of the characters made.
This isn't a comicbook, it's a film which features comic book characters, there is a difference.
Is that Batman checked him over and he was dead?
A director like Nolan is not going to restore to cheap tricks like that.
The deaths attributed to Two Face were Maroni and his driver, the crooked cop in the bar, and the cop the Joker killed in Dent's hospital room. As the cop was heading back into the hospital trying to locate his partner who was no longer answering the radio, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume the Joker may have killed both officers. Those deaths would have been attributed to Dent after the fact, seeing as the Joker having freed Two Face was unknown to the cops or Batman.
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Well Gordon did say two of them were cops. I presume one of them was Weurtz and then...who else?
Most of the guys were Maroni's (and the other bosses) lower level enforcers, so Joker could have heard about them being moved out on the ferries in advance from his connections within the Mob.
How he moved tens of thousands of pounds of explosive barrels into the engine rooms of two presumably locked down ferries without anyone noticing is another matter, but one that I'm willing to overlook because it led to an amazing segment of the film.
