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Star Trek Convention Cancelled DURING Event

Michael, I think it's time to step back, relax, put on a sombrero and party!

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http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=55523

You should get into the swing of things and support your fellow fans by putting a sombrero on the SyFy Portal web page!
 
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I'm still very, very impressed by Ms. Dhaliwal being cast as T'Pol. That was truly amateur journalism at its finest. :)

And then there was this:

From the very moment the story about a supposed Star Trek: Series V character breakdown list being leaked was reported to the Web, SyFy World was one of the few news sites who not only didn't bow down to it as if it were a beacon of light from the saint of good fortune, but even went as far as declaring the story a fake.

Link

Nothing like compounding error with pomposity and ignorance, hmm?

In fact, up to and including "REPORT: New starship lacks nacelles" there really wasn't much of anything that SyFyWorld got right in reporting about "Series V."

Breaking News! Yup!
 
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I just checked out SaveEnterprise.com for the first time (yes, it's still up). There's some interesting stuff on the "About" page -


"You may be saying, 'The campaign was not a success. Enterprise has not returned.' The truth is, we raised awareness of Star Trek, showed tremendous support for Enterprise, and have been uniting fans on a daily basis. You are here! So yes, we have been a huge success."

"One of our other goals is to become the largest website on the Internet for all things Star Trek, as well as science fiction topics in general. Our member base has expanded beyond belief."



Sounds a little delusional to me.
 
I'm still very, very impressed by Ms. Dhaliwal being cast as T'Pol. That was truly amateur journalism at its finest. :)

Breaking News! Yup!

Yes, you're a real winner!

Out of 10 years of stories that you could've chosen from ... you had to dig all the way back to seven years ago!

You the man! And you rock! lol!

I think this is hilarious ... it's like someone sits in their mother's basement and is like, "That damn Michael Hinman ... he knows how to really get some controversial shit brewing ... what can I do to try and punch holes in that steel exterior ...

"Oh, that's it! I will find a story where he was duped! That'll teach him ... too bad I have to go back seven years to find it ..."

Give me a break, lol!

When I was 6 years old, my brother told me he would give me a quarter if I cleaned his room. He didn't give me the quarter (I was duped again!) Would you like to throw that at me too, or is 26 years ago not far back enough for you?

Oh ... and you're telling me in the 6,000 or so stories that we've published in the last seven years ... you couldn't find me being duped? So I must be an "amateur" because I was duped once 6,000 stories ago?

Maybe time for a hobby?

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carpeoccasio said:
"One of our other goals is to become the largest website on the Internet for all things Star Trek, as well as science fiction topics in general. Our member base has expanded beyond belief."

I think it was more like their ego.
 
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I hate to admit it, but true professionals never get duped by stories and sources that seem to be the "real deal". Obviously Michael can't be a real reporter, he got "duped", I mean....come on man. True giants of the industry check, recheck, and triple check facts, like:

The LA Times
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/03/captionphoto_courtesy_of_the_s.html

CBS News would never get used:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4279605

The Old Gray Lady would never be fooled:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

And we all can trust the best daytime talk show hostest out there...Oprah!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23486842/

I mean, if you can't trust Oprah who can you trust!
http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200601/20060126/slide_20060126_350_102.jhtml

So bottom line, anyone who is duped can't be a pro. Because pro's never get duped.

Love that Circular argument!
 
I hate to admit it, but true professionals never get duped by stories and sources that seem to be the "real deal". Obviously Michael can't be a real reporter, he got "duped", I mean....come on man. True giants of the industry check, recheck, and triple check facts, like:

The LA Times
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/03/captionphoto_courtesy_of_the_s.html

CBS News would never get used:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4279605

The Old Gray Lady would never be fooled:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

And we all can trust the best daytime talk show hostest out there...Oprah!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23486842/

I mean, if you can't trust Oprah who can you trust!
http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200601/20060126/slide_20060126_350_102.jhtml

So bottom line, anyone who is duped can't be a pro. Because pro's never get duped.

Love that Circular argument!

What's sad is that people think I really give a rat's ass that I got something wrong. What's funny is that I admitted it almost instantly. And I was quick to put the blame on myself. I didn't vet the source properly, and in a hurry to try and get some news up ahead of everyone else at that point when SyFy was very young and still trying to establish itself, I made a mistake.

But some people with nothing better to do and their own vendetta against me like to trudge that same ol' same ol' story every time. There HAS to be SOMETHING new out there.

I personally think it's funny. And if that's the only time I've been duped in 10 years, knock on wood, then I think I'm doing pretty damn good. :)
 
What's sad is that people think I really give a rat's ass that I got something wrong. What's funny is that I admitted it almost instantly. And I was quick to put the blame on myself. I didn't vet the source properly, and in a hurry to try and get some news up ahead of everyone else at that point when SyFy was very young and still trying to establish itself, I made a mistake.

But some people with nothing better to do and their own vendetta against me like to trudge that same ol' same ol' story every time. There HAS to be SOMETHING new out there.

I personally think it's funny. And if that's the only time I've been duped in 10 years, knock on wood, then I think I'm doing pretty damn good. :)

Wow, didn't Brazeal admit almost instantly that he is to blame for the failure of FedConUSA ? And don't you tredge that same old story about Brazeal every chance you get ? Isn't there something new out there for you to report on ? I think if it weren't for Brazeal you would have a dull life. It does seem you have been all over every forum that you can find to voice your "old stories" to anyone who will listen to you. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Don't complain because people call you into account for your obvious vendetta against Brazeal.
 
This is what Brazeal wrote:

"There are a dozen reasons that lead to the downfall of FedConUSA, and truth be told, none of them are pretty. We could have been more organized. We could have communicated better with the public and staff and actors. We could have done more advertising. The economy was already headed to the pits a year ago when we started this thing. El Niño, simply because it's been too long since we've blamed something on El Niño. In the end, however, it all came down to money.

As anybody who has run a convention can tell you, it's not a cheap thing to do. There are a thousand little things that add up, as well as many big things. When we started off on this endeavor with FedCon Germany at our side, we had the financial backing and experience of one of the best convention organizations on the planet. However, with their understandable withdrawal from FedConUSA, we were left without the inside experience and cash reserves.

For a first time convention, getting financial support in today's economy is next to impossible. There are so many upfront costs – flights, hotel rooms, convention space, food, guest fees, etc – that need to be paid before the convention even gets under way. From day one, FedConUSA has been operating in the red, with hopes of recouping our funds and making enough to continue on and make this an ongoing and fantastic convention experience for all of America.

Obviously, that just didn't work out. We had expected much more walk-in attendance than we received, and hoped that we would have been able to pull things together enough that the show could go on. As you know, that didn't happen. We are truly sorry to everyone for what has happened and disappointed that we couldn't have put on a better show."

I don't see anything there that says "It was all my fault". If I missed his mea culpa then I appologize to Brazeal et al.
 

Of course, no one at CBS suffered the consequences of being aggressively and arrogantly wrong in that instance, did they? It's not like anyone lost a job or the credibility of the news organization with the public was in any way affected. :guffaw:

What I most enjoyed about the various "Series V" foul-ups at SyFyWorld was the stridency with which they promoted themselves as mythbusters and "going the extra mile" to get the "truth." In fact they were being rightly treated as credulous fanboys by people who were easily feeding them pretty transparent bullshit (the "T'Pol" photo was a careless Photoshop job never designed to actually fool anyone, yet SyFyWorld declared "... whoever created the fake did a great job. I examined it every way possible
to see if it was doctored, and I couldn't see anything that had it doctored"
).

If one actually cares about accuracy of original or investigative reporting or is looking for "scoops," SyFyPortal is not a destination of choice. Most of what they do is either news aggregating - collecting stories from more aggressive and well-sourced sites - or posting reviews and columns of opinion. That's fine as far as it goes, but it's a mistake not to treat any story they "break" with far greater skepticism than similar reporting from sites like Trekmovie.com or even AICN.
 
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From FedCon USA website:


"Words cannot express how truly sorry all of us at FedConUSA are."

"Our intention was to bring the unique FedCon experience to the states."

"We could have been more organized. We could have communicated better with the public and staff and actors. We could have done more advertising."

"We had expected much more walk-in attendance than we received, and hoped that we would have been able to pull things together enough that the show could go on."

"We are working to issue refunds to everybody else, and those who pre-purchased their tickets online or via phone, but it may be a while before we are able to arrange for that."

"If it comes down to it, I will go into personal debt in order to get everybody their money back."

"We shot for the stars and aimed to bring the exciting atmosphere that FedCon is known for worldwide."



Lot's of "we's" and "our's" but only one "I", the one that counts I guess.
 
No one person takes blame, it's basically disaster by committee.

As for Tim going into debt, lots of speculation, and it's only that at this point, that he will file for Bankruptcy protection.




From FedCon USA website:


"Words cannot express how truly sorry all of us at FedConUSA are."

"Our intention was to bring the unique FedCon experience to the states."

"We could have been more organized. We could have communicated better with the public and staff and actors. We could have done more advertising."

"We had expected much more walk-in attendance than we received, and hoped that we would have been able to pull things together enough that the show could go on."

"We are working to issue refunds to everybody else, and those who pre-purchased their tickets online or via phone, but it may be a while before we are able to arrange for that."

"If it comes down to it, I will go into personal debt in order to get everybody their money back."

"We shot for the stars and aimed to bring the exciting atmosphere that FedCon is known for worldwide."


Lot's of "we's" and "our's" but only one "I", the one that counts I guess.
 
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What's sad is that people think I really give a rat's ass that I got something wrong. What's funny is that I admitted it almost instantly. And I was quick to put the blame on myself. I didn't vet the source properly, and in a hurry to try and get some news up ahead of everyone else at that point when SyFy was very young and still trying to establish itself, I made a mistake.

But some people with nothing better to do and their own vendetta against me like to trudge that same ol' same ol' story every time. There HAS to be SOMETHING new out there.

I personally think it's funny. And if that's the only time I've been duped in 10 years, knock on wood, then I think I'm doing pretty damn good. :)

Wow, didn't Brazeal admit almost instantly that he is to blame for the failure of FedConUSA ? And don't you tredge that same old story about Brazeal every chance you get ?

You might want to go read his meaculpa, if you can call it that. He pretends to take blame, but then shifts it to others. In fact, they were even blaming Chris McKeown.

And context says a lot. If you don't like context, then you might enjoy USA Today.

Isn't there something new out there for you to report on ? I think if it weren't for Brazeal you would have a dull life.

Yes ... I have posted what, four stories on SyFy Portal, on Brazeal in the last three years, and all of them in this past week because of a developing story with the collapse of a convention that has stars angry and attendees angry. But that's not newsworthy, I'm sure.

Although this time of year is slow for entertainment reporting ... but it's hardly the only thing we've been covering this week.

It does seem you have been all over every forum that you can find to voice your "old stories" to anyone who will listen to you.

Hardly the only one voicing them. It seems that there are a lot more doing it here, too.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Don't complain because people call you into account for your obvious vendetta against Brazeal.

I haven't. I've even taken the pot shots (see the moronic post above) ... but tell Tim I said hello!

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starship polaris said:
Of course, no one at CBS suffered the consequences of being aggressively and arrogantly wrong in that instance, did they? It's not like anyone lost a job or the credibility of the news organization with the public was in any way affected.

I noticed that of the several example provided you, you talked about just one. I like how selective memory works for you.

What I most enjoyed about the various "Series V" foul-ups at SyFyWorld was the stridency with which they promoted themselves as mythbusters and "going the extra mile" to get the "truth." In fact they were being rightly treated as credulous fanboys by people who were easily feeding them pretty transparent bullshit (the "T'Pol" photo was a careless Photoshop job never designed to actually fool anyone, yet SyFyWorld declared "... whoever created the fake did a great job. I examined it every way possible
to see if it was doctored, and I couldn't see anything that had it doctored"
).

That's great for you! Glad you weren't fooled by something!

SyFy Portal, and our predecessor SyFy World (which was a member of this very TrekNation network for the story you obsess about) are news and rumors sites, which means that we report on things many times that have not been confirmed. We are not the PR-arm of any studio or network.

Any rumor site has had hits and misses. That's part of the game, and something we work to try and let people know when they come to the site or read a rumors story. There are a number of factors that could make the story not come to fruition: The story could be wrong to begin with; the story was very early stage and was changed by those who have control of things like that; source could've misheard the report.

Despite that, of all the original rumors that SyFy Portal reports, we have ended up wrong less than 6 percent of the time, and that includes the whole T'Pol thing. That means 94 percent of the time we were correct, even when people were telling us we were full of shit.

I mean, I remember when we were reporting that SciFi Channel had picked up "Battlestar Galactica" as a series, a whole group of people were convinced we were not only making it up, but were trying to report not that a decision hadn't been made yet, but that SciFi Channel had passed. We were, obviously correct.

After the first season of "Jericho," since we have someone posting that seems to be a part of that movement, we reported that the show was about to be renewed. However, a week later, CBS decided to NOT renew it. At first we had egg on our face on that one, but then it was revealed a short time later that the show had been renewed, but then cancelled at the last minute.

We also had some very specific story details from the past 10 episodes of BSG, which we ended up being correct on nearly all of it. The only thing we stumbled on was that we said Cylon lines would be completely wiped out, but instead, they were nearly wiped out.

I guess no one is perfect.

If one actually cares about accuracy of original or investigative reporting or is looking for "scoops," SyFyPortal is not a destination of choice. Most of what they do is either news aggregating - collecting stories from more aggressive and well-sourced sites - or posting reviews and columns of opinion. That's fine as far as it goes, but it's a mistake not to treat any story they "break" with far greater skepticism than similar reporting from sites like Trekmovie.com or even AICN.

AICN is actually perceived to be wrong more often than they are correct. I don't know if that is true, I've never studied the accuracy of their stories, but that is the perception I have heard.

Also, TrekMovie is a great site, but they aggregate news just as much as anyone else. They post original columns just as much as everyone else. But there's nothing wrong with that in my eyes, or thousands of other people's eyes -- but it does show the contradiction in your statement.

Just recently, SyFy Portal even moved rumor notifications to the TOP of a story, rather than the bottom. That was a result of reader feedback, something we listen to very intently.

I do take offense to being dealt a punch in regards to aggregating stories from other sources, or having opinion pieces and reviews. I took a look at a few other sites just a few minutes ago, and looked at their five most recent stories.

SciFi Wire, which has a full time news staff and the financial backing of NBC Universal, had two stories that were original reporting, a third story that came from a mass press release that everyone (including SyFy Portal) received about the Doomsday casting, and then two other stories from the trades: Variety and The Hollywood Reporter.

Dark Horizons, a site I have visited since almost their first day of existence, had five stories that were ALL aggregated from other sources, including MTV News, the trades and SlashFilm. I don't talk to Garth Franklin at anywhere near the same frequency we did several years ago because we both are busy busy busy, but I believe Garth might do the site full-time (although if I'm wrong, I will stand corrected).

TV Guide, with a full-time staff and a major corporate backing, had three original stories, although two of them were reviews/columns. They had the Smallville thing, but pulled that from a mass press release, and they announced the birth of a child for Jamie Lynn Spears, but picked that up from US Magazine.

TrekToday, which has a volunteer staff of I guess just T'Bonz (who I think is doing a great job, by the way) has five stories up, but all came from other sources including Newsarama, E! Online, TrekMovie and the trades.

This is just a snapshot so probably not the best representation ... but TrekMovie had five stories up, but were all reviews and columns.

SyFy Portal has five stories up (we won't update until this afternoon, however ... busy day) ... but one came from Michael Ausiello (the Doomsday piece, but we picked up Ausiello's scoop and didn't wait for the press release), two columns including one on the anniversary of DS9, an original story on FedCon, and a story we picked up from MediaWeek.

What this shows is not that any of these sites are bad -- quite the contrary. New aggregation is part of the business. Even sites with full-time news staffs aggregate. Maybe not as much, but they do.

Sites that you mentioned, like TrekMovie, also has columns, reviews and such. In fact, their most recent five stories are just that. Nothing wrong with that either.

By the way, these are sites that I very much enjoy (among others), whether they aggregate or not. I visit each of them every day. And it makes me sad that you feel so poorly about these sites, which have staffs who work very hard, many times for free.

So it sounds like the only person that has a vendetta or some ax to grind isn't me ... it's you.

I will not defend the site again. If people don't like to visit us, that's their decision, and I am not going to fault them for it. In fact, I would probably first ask them what they don't like about the site, and then see if those are issues we need to address.

There are a lot of independent news sites out there. I had TrekToday, TrekMovie and Dark Horizons above, but I also frequent other independent sites such as The TV Addict, TrekWeb and more. I communicate quite frequently with many of their webmasters, or whoever they have running their sites now (TrekToday and TrekWeb has owners who are no longer active in the editorial side, but that's OK ... these sites have been around for a LONG time and it's tough to keep doing this for years and years and years), and we all know what it's like to do all of this, to have any mistake out there for the whole world to see.

And many of us do all this for peanuts, if anything at all. SyFy Portal went commercial three years ago because I couldn't justify not only funding the whole site out of my own pocket, but spending close to 40 hours per week on it and not get something back. I also wanted us to have a marketing budget and a travel budget so that we COULD go and cover more events and have more original reporting.

While moving to commercial moved us away from the realm of being a "glorified fan site" as we originally billed ourselves, we have now been able to travel to more events like last year's SciFi Channel Digital Press Tour in Vancouver, the upcoming Comic-Con in San Diego and more. In fact, what's nice is that we're not limited by funds now, we're limited by the available time I have. But we are known to be reporting things almost instantly ... I carry my MacBook with me at events, and type away at 120 wpm and get stories up as soon as I can. If you visit the SciFi Channel Web site, there is a drinking game you can do with one of David Eick's blogs where it chronicles our visit to the Battlestar sets. For some reason, all of their B-roll is me sitting on the hangar deck of the Galactica typing away on my MacBook. :)

I am not going to defend SyFy Portal any further. If it were just me at the site, I would correct you where you were wrong, and go on my way. But we have a staff of 10 people ... when you unfairly disparage the site, you disparage them. They volunteer their time to try and bring news and thoughts and entertainment to thousands of readers every day.

Just like none of us should attack T'Bonz, Gustavo Leao, Anthony Pascale, and even people like Garth Franklin, Hercules and Patrick Lee and the people they have working on their teams, it's a bit harsh to attack us as well.

I tend to only get involved in message boards when the topic is something I feel I should be a part of the discussion. I also join message board conversations when I'm talked about or I'm invited to. One of the things that people commend us for all the time is that I AM accessible. People can e-mail me, and they can get a response back. They may not always like the response, but they know I will listen. They know I care, and in the end, that's all that matters to me.

SyFy Portal is almost to a revenue point where I could take it on full-time, or actually hire people on a freelance basis to cover more events for us. And we might start looking at doing that. But we won't change who we are -- advertising or not, we are still a glorified fan site that just happens to be run and maintained by journalists. We're not perfect, and even the best have been duped or have been wrong.

The difference with us, however, is we don't try to hide it. We don't bury it. In fact, you were able to pull up a cached story from seven years ago. You even were able to pick up an e-mail I sent to our mailing list seven years ago -- all which are freely available on the Web, and nothing that I have ever tried to hide.

Even seven years later, when that is the only thing you can throw at me, I still talk about it. I don't remember all the details of it, or how naive I was, or how busy I was (I guess I could go back and look at what I said), but I can tell you that I didn't blame anyone else. I didn't find a scapegoat. I didn't pretend to take the blame, and then pass it off to other things like El Nino or Al Vinci. I said, "I was wrong, I made a mistake, and we will do everything in our power to make sure it doesn't happen again."

And how many times did it happen again after that? Zero. After seven years, at least 6,000 posted stories, I kept my promise. I was able to come through. And we have a readership base that only continues to grow.

Sorry to everyone else for going a bit off-topic, but I'm done with this subject.
 
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I don't see anything there that says "It was all my fault". If I missed his mea culpa then I appologize to Brazeal et al.
FedConUSA imploded because Tim wasn't honest with anyone.
-- He didn't come clean with the fans. For months he took money from Connor fans knowing damned well he was NOT a confirmed guest. He even got Marc Lee to pimp the con, offer members of the House of Tucker a private forum with Connor if at least 50 of us signed up.
-- He didn't let fans know that the con wasn't selling as well as hoped and income wasn't going to cover expenses.
-- Aaron Douglas just wanted someone to return his calls re: airline tickets. Call the guy and tell him finances are a problem! Don't ignore him!
-- He (apparently) wasn't honest with the hotel. I'm not referring to an allegedly bounced check, I'm referring to his failure to alert the hotel that it was likely he would have to cancel (and then make the hard decision and DO SO).
I hope this one has done him in. Looks like he'll have to get a job.
 
Trekmovie.com has to be one of the best Star Trek (and some scifi) news sites I have seen. I find Anthony Pascale to be a remarkable person capable of deliving current and unbiased news in a highly professional manner. Some other news sites while having great connections tend to sometimes get biased over particualar topics to point of clearly showcasing a 'I told you so', 'Im always right' mentality. While news at such sites may be faily accurate in some cases the tone of how such news is delivered is also important.
 
Has anyone seen the Video from the closure of the con? The hero has to be John Billingsly. He was the fan advocate. Whenever the Fedcon reps started the "OH Tom, who isn't here right now, will deal with the refunds", John basically told the Fedcon people that they needed to get Tom THERE to answer questions.

The bottom line the Fedcon USA reps gave was that they would refund money until they ran out, at which point they would refund money when they could.
 
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