At least "our" Vulcan still exists, it's the Kelvin Timeline Vulcan that gets Red Mattered to atoms.
Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?
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The idea of Alex Kurtzman running around the studio in an increasingly tattered Secret Hideout fleece raving about isolating the serum amuses me
Define "good."
I do not like Picard (He's always struck me as being a bloviating windbag).
Congratulations!
You've just described Star Trek: Picard.
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Time and time again, Star Trek keeps returning to the tired old 'lets do more adventures on a spaceship taking place just a few years after the last time' concept, with a new captain, new engineer and so on, and all it's ever gotten us is Star Trek: The Next Generation, Voyager, Lower Decks, Prodigy...
I can see why everyone is so against it
I can see why everyone is so against it
Time and time again, Star Trek keeps returning to the tired old 'lets do more adventures on a spaceship taking place just a few years after the last time' concept, with a new captain, new engineer and so on, and all it's ever gotten us is Star Trek: The Next Generation, Voyager, Lower Decks, Prodigy...
I can see why everyone is so against it
Up until 2009 it was pretty decent. Ds9 being the one that went away from that formula a bit and it was still AWESOME. But starting in 2009 something started to go wrong. It hasn't improved imo. After watching SFA I think more than ever Star Trek needs a HUGE break, reset or just plain end. Lots of long running shows/concepts start to get stale. Star Trek is no different. It's WELL past it's heyday and it's not gonna ever get it back.
I think Star Trek needs to be rebooted to reset the rules. The rules lawyering nitpicking is way past needing a rest.
Yup. The current writers really stink. I mean a puppet show. Lol. They did a musical already. Its like forget it guys youll never be as popular as the Buffy and Angel shows were. Lol
Wrath of Khan, The Voyage Home, The Undiscovered Country, Generations, First Contact and Section 31, right?
So...Lower Decks...
well if today's writers would refrain from being narcissistic people would not need to get so nitpicky.
. Truth be told it never was or is gonna be perfect. But it's just plain off the wall now. It's got to the point where it's just not that engaging. But as I have said before and will say again so people don't think I'm just totally dismissing today's Trek ..... I have liked some of the streaming era. Sadly just not that much of it. I just don't find it all that entertaining. But there have been some very bright spots. With Season 3 of Picard and Season 5 of Disco being my favorites.
And don't forget Mirror Earth, but that one's on Ira Behr.
And Kirk encountered two alien threats in two consecutive seasons that reduced populated star systems to rubble in moments (and I believe a third one in TAS?). The threat of imminent total and complete destruction of your homeworld is just part of the package of being part of a science fiction universe and Star Trek has never been an exception to that.
Star Trek was already pretty much rebooted back in 2017 with the premiere of Star Trek: Discovery.
Earth was literally threatened in the first film. It's not exactly an outlandish idea that worlds might blow up. In the second film, a planet randomly explodes to set off the ridiculous change to the Ceti Alpha system.
We'll split the difference. Continue Lower Decks in one show, and reboot in another show.
Actually it takes place only 2 years later but other than that it fit the billI thought Lower Decks took place FIVE years after Voyager?
I think I've been able to finally put a finger on why new Star Trek series feel less engaging than the old ones for me.
Naturally, this is just my subjective take, and my view is inevitably influenced by watching the older series decades after they first aired.
But I feel the newer series lack the deep cultural and intellectual diversity that was present in TOS and even Voyager, both in alien cultures (with few exceptions) and among humans.
I liked the logical Vulcan vs. emotional Human culture dynamic in TOS, which was integral to the story and not just trivia. Characters like Scotty felt rooted; his Scottish background gave him texture. Chekov, who was introduced during the Cold War, symbolized a future where humanity overcame its conflicts but preserved its distinct cultural identities.
In recent series like SNW and DSC, characters often feel a lot more homogenous on the inside, even when they look diverse on the surface. And as a non-American, I find that the series' premise, along with the way characters act and talk, feels representative of modern American, not a truly global, far-future point of view. Which, in my opinion, is a shame.
I know Star Trek is an American creation, but in the era of streaming, the audience is worldwide, and creators have an opportunity to reach a far broader spectrum of viewers. It would be especially interesting to see a discussion about how different cultures can interact, coexist peacefully, and learn from each other within an interconnected world. And how there are different worldviews that have value, even if one cannot always understand or agree with them.
Lately, it feels like the franchise projects a future where one culture has simply absorbed all the others. And to be honest, that’s not just hard to relate to, it’s a less interesting future to imagine.
I'll state again that this is just a subjective opinion.
Naturally, this is just my subjective take, and my view is inevitably influenced by watching the older series decades after they first aired.
But I feel the newer series lack the deep cultural and intellectual diversity that was present in TOS and even Voyager, both in alien cultures (with few exceptions) and among humans.
I liked the logical Vulcan vs. emotional Human culture dynamic in TOS, which was integral to the story and not just trivia. Characters like Scotty felt rooted; his Scottish background gave him texture. Chekov, who was introduced during the Cold War, symbolized a future where humanity overcame its conflicts but preserved its distinct cultural identities.
In recent series like SNW and DSC, characters often feel a lot more homogenous on the inside, even when they look diverse on the surface. And as a non-American, I find that the series' premise, along with the way characters act and talk, feels representative of modern American, not a truly global, far-future point of view. Which, in my opinion, is a shame.
I know Star Trek is an American creation, but in the era of streaming, the audience is worldwide, and creators have an opportunity to reach a far broader spectrum of viewers. It would be especially interesting to see a discussion about how different cultures can interact, coexist peacefully, and learn from each other within an interconnected world. And how there are different worldviews that have value, even if one cannot always understand or agree with them.
Lately, it feels like the franchise projects a future where one culture has simply absorbed all the others. And to be honest, that’s not just hard to relate to, it’s a less interesting future to imagine.
I'll state again that this is just a subjective opinion.
I agree with your conclusion, but I think it has really always been that way. The human character's nationalities are rarely more than a footnote. The UFP has always been America (as it exists in the minds and hopes of the creators) in space. The ships even are USS X. I really hoped they would try to adopt a more global perspective with the new series.
If he's the Captain, he isn't doing a good job.
Well, I might be somewhat wrong about the current following of Star Wars.
But I get the impression from many Star Wars fans that it is the six first movies which counts and that there is a certain dissapointment with later productions.
Personally I'm not that impressed of what I've seen of later Star Wars compared to what I've seen in the six classic movies.
Do Star Wars fans actually like the prequels now?
In thirty years they will also like the sequels.
I saw that happen in real time with Enterprise. I just don't get it.
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