I’ve been saying that it would be perfect to see the Ares as a garbage scow in SNW since the start of the whole Axanar kerfuffle.
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I’ve been saying that it would be perfect to see the Ares as a garbage scow in SNW since the start of the whole Axanar kerfuffle.
If the other ships were actually designed by the shows’ VFX personnel, their names would be shown in the credits. But probably not specifically ‘USS Voyager built by Dave Jones, 2nd assistant VFX coordinator,’ or whatnot.
Did Alec Peters copyright the Ares design? I’m guessing that even if he did, his history would work against him in court if CBS used the Ares design without his [lol]permission[/lol].
But I don’t see that happening. Using Peters’ design onscreen, even as a garbage scow, would give Peters instant and free advertising, which CBS absolutely does not want.
I believe the person who made the Ent-D model was hired and paid by the production.
It was made by Gabe Koerner, who is a fan, but was also working for the show in season four. So he was paid to do it.
Even if the Enterprise is a copyrighted design, surely if there's enough uniqueness about his models that they are identifiable among literally hundreds of near-identical Enterprise models out there, Paramount have fucked up and are liable. If every piece of fan art the property of the artist or the subject? It's the former.
They have the Eaglemoss models and the STO models, and the clip in question is pretty shitty quality tbh. They didn't need to use one they didn't have permission for.
They have the Eaglemoss models and the STO models, and the clip in question is pretty shitty quality tbh. They didn't need to use one they didn't have permission for.
When I said they should use the work of fans who know the material I kind of assumed that they'd get paid for that work 
The Ares is both clearly a Star Trek design (belonging to Paramount), but also enough unique input from Peters (it's a unique configuration), that it is clearly its own design.
So right now no one can use it in any way commercially, until paramount & peters make an agreement.
No, the design is not his. What he is identifying is his built quality.
Like if my carpenter friend makes a really good version of an IKEA furniture on its own, that's indistinguishable except for scratch marks, screw positions etc, and then that somehow ends up in an official IKEA commercial - there's literally nothing he can do - expect if course post on Instagram and say "look, I did that!"
Which would go much smoother if he added a "nice.", instead of a "acknowledge me".
FYI - best he would get is some behind-the-scenes confirmation on an official channel anyway - like a Trek Instagram post highlighting his model.
Being in the actual credits is unrealistic - that doesn't even happen to the hundreds of people who do create unique 3D assets for Hollywood.
Which will more than likely not happen. Even if Alec thinks he’ll have a different relationship with Skydance.
Obviously not. I just meant the name. As a dig to Alec. It won’t happen anyway. But it would be nice if it did!
Again, if Peters didn’t copyright the Ares design, then CBS/Paramount could absolutely steal it and use it in their show, and either give Sean Torangeau credit or not (as Sean, not Peters, designed the ship for Axanar.) But as I mentioned before, I don’t see CBS giving Peters free advertising by using a ship design associated with a fan film. And heck, even if Peters did copyright it, the courts know his history and CBS could easily prove that the Ares (and everything else about Axanar) is a derivative design based on the Star Trek IP, and he wouldn’t have a legal leg to stand on.
Oh, sure, they could absolutely make a garbage scow named the Ares NCC-1650, and have it look nothing like Torangeau’s design, for spite. But I don’t think they care all that much to do something like that.
No they can absolutely not. Because for the Ares there had been sufficient creative changes by Peters.
Basically - Paramount owns the "Star Trek" part of the ship (the saucer, nacelles, dish,...). Peters owns the "delta" between the Paramount design and his design.
Which he cannot use without the Paramount part. But also Paramount can not use exactly this model without agreement.
So as a result this whole thing is shelved, only ever to be used in free fan films, but never, ever as a skin in a video game or something else commercial. Because two parties that don't like each other own certain parts of it (Paramount obviously the main share), but neither the complete thing.
Whether it’s legal or not, Alec chose some… questionable business practices in much of doing Axanar. We don’t need to get into the details here. There is plenty of discussion out there on it. The Ares Class is fine, but it’s really not all that amazing. Prelude was a fairly pedestrian pew pew Star Trek adventure set up with the unique idea of it being based as a documentary. Other than that, the most interesting discussion point of the whole debacle is the lawsuit, which I myself am bored to tears to talking about. It does feel as though they are getting closer to releasing the next part. After at least a decade of grifting, it’s about time.
I'm not sure where you're getting these ideas from.
First, Alec Peters can only own the design of the Ares if he copyrighted it, which I'm pretty sure he hasn't. So CBS/Paramount does not need his permission for shit.
Second, there's no distinction between 'saucers, nacelles, dishes, deltas,' and whatnot. I have no idea what you're going on about here. Peters had Torangeau design a ship for a fan film that looks 100% like a ship that could potentially appear in an official Trek production, right down to the NCC number on the hull. CBS/Paramount, if they wanted, could steal that design and use it in SNW, again without asking Peters' permission, because he does not own the design. They could also tell him that his entire Axanar project looks too much like an official production and he needs to change the designs, costumes, props, etc. to look less like Star Trek. This is exactly what happened with Star Trek Renegades. The reason this didn't happen with Axanar is because Peters is a grifting asshole who was making money off of someone else's IP, and Paramount fought it in court.
Conclusion: Alec Peters has no authority, Paramount needs no agreement from him for anything, and Paramount can use the Ares design if they chose to.
"artists don't deserve credit for their work if i don't like them"Marc is an anti-vax conspiracy nut, so it couldn't happen to a better guy
That was sarcasm, hence the winky.
I agree artists deserve to be credited including him, but I'm not going to shed a tear personally for Marc.
Luckily you are wrong here - corporations can NOT just take fan-art and make money off it. That's why we hear some of these "feel-good"-stories where companies reach out to creators of popular fan art & hire them (e.g. how Picard season 3 reached out to Bill Krause to use his fan design for the actual USS Titan-A/Ent-G.
That's the easy way that most companies do to protect their IP. E.g. Nintendo issuing take-down notes for all Mario-, Zelda-, Metroid-fan games.
Star Trek, Wars etc let the fans have a lot of leeway, because they see the value in fans putting so much energy into the property. But it's always a thin thread, and anything making a profit they have to stop.
