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The Ferengi and Tobacco

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Are there no Ferengi drug dealers?

I bring this up because, in "Little Green Men," Quark seems surprised by both the concept of tobacco and cigarettes as well as the idea a product would be sold that's both addictive and dangerous that people would buy for pleasure.

QUARK: What is that disgusting smell?​
NOG: I think it's called tobacco. It's a deadly drug. When used frequently, it destroys the internal organs.​
QUARK: If it's so deadly, then why do they use it?​
NOG: It's also highly addictive.​
ROM: How do they get their hands on it?​
NOG: They buy it in stores.​
QUARK: They buy it? If they'll buy poison, they'll buy anything. I think I'm going to like it here.​
It seems interesting Quark would obsess about the choice of being an arms dealer but never considered the profit in selling drugs. Especially since he owns a bar and presumably understands the appeal of alcohol and other similar concoctions.

There's also the question as to whether smoking among humans (and anything else affected by tobacco) as a vice would still be a thing in the 23rd/24th century. Raffi is shown smoking something in Picard but beyond that there are "no smoking" signs in the Enterprise transporter room in Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock, indicating some people still smoke something and the transporter room is one of the places you can't. Then you think about whether there would still be huge tracts of land growing tobacco in the 24th century. But, on the other hand, Picard has an entire vineyard for his wine. So using land on Earth for crops to produce wines and spirits seems to be a thing, and it wouldn't be a huge jump to get to tobacco.
 
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Was he surprised that a) anyone buys deadly poison to use, b) that humans would, c) that 1940s humans would, or d) that they can simply buy it, rather than smuggle or grow it on the sly? Perhaps Nog's description led him to believe tobacco was more fatal than it actually was.
 
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In addition to "Little Green Men", Quark makes a negative remark about humanity at the end of Season 2 and then, again, in Season 6 (perhaps Season 7?); it's one of his noteworthy traits. He also comments more generally on The Federation being insidious (although, in that instance, an analogy was formed using the Earth drink known as root beer).
 
Yes, I'm aware. :)

Edit: I apologize for that response. It's too easy to forget sometimes that if I write replies the way I might speak in real life with friends, it makes me look like a total d-bag. (And yeah, I'm aware maybe that's happening in real life too, but one damn problem at a time!)

New response. Quark speaks negatively about humans on multiple occasions, but that doesn't erase the possibility that he was surprised at how stupid they can be.

But either way, that still doesn't mean that the Ferengi aren't familiar with species who have 'equal or more reprehensible' habits.
 
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I've never understood how sucking on a burning poisonous plant could be worth getting addicted to sucking on a burning poisonous plant.

One of my grandfathers smoked himself into an early grave. And yet he somehow managed to conceal at least the extent of his filthy habit* from the two people he was most motivated to conceal it from: his no-nonsense former army nurse mother who bred doberman-pinschers and did her own ear-docking, and his firstborn grandson, me. By the time I was born, he realized how self-destructive it was, and didn't want me thinking it was a good idea.

He needn't have worried about it: from a very early age, I recognized it as pointless and obnoxious. Long before I understood that it involved sucking on the fumes.

Funny story: back when Griffith Observatory regularly hosted Laserium shows in its planetarium, the standard announcement before the house lights went down (yes, even with all-classical Laserium shows, like Crystal Odyssey and Rainbow Cadenza) included ". . . and there is no eating, drinking, or smoking of anything . . ."
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*Conan Doyle used those exact words to describe smoking in a Sherlock Holmes story. Well over half a century before the very first Surgeon General's Warning.
 
Honestly with cancer being easily treatable in the future (pills for new kidney's etc) why NOT smoke? Clearly people do smoke, even in Starfleet Facilities.

spock no smoking.jpg
 
Because it can interfere with the transporter's mechanism, or be mistaken for an electrical fire, thereby causing chaos?
 
Yes, I'm aware. :)

Edit: I apologize for that response. It's too easy to forget sometimes that if I write replies the way I might speak in real life with friends, it makes me look like a total d-bag. (And yeah, I'm aware maybe that's happening in real life too, but one damn problem at a time!)

New response. Quark speaks negatively about humans on multiple occasions, but that doesn't erase the possibility that he was surprised at how stupid they can be.

But either way, that still doesn't mean that the Ferengi aren't familiar with species who have 'equal or more reprehensible' habits.

There is no need to apologize for tone (or brevity, for that matter); there is already too much of that in today's society. Besides which, you have always been sincere when it comes to these discussions.

Honestly with cancer being easily treatable in the future (pills for new kidney's etc) why NOT smoke? Clearly people do smoke, even in Starfleet Facilities.

Attendant health risks or lack thereof aside, not everyone appreciates the odor.
 
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Are there no Ferengi drug dealers?
Yeah, it was a dumb line that felt like it'd be appropriate in a "Captain Planet" episode, but not DS9. Even Ira Behr admitted it was too on the nose.

Absurd to think the Ferengi haven't sold all kinds of harmful products over the years. I don't believe that tobacco companies (awful though they are) are somehow worse than the Ferengi.
 
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I feel its on the noseness actually works for it.

I mean as a race we call them cancer sticks. So for Quark it is fucking absurd. And he's allowed to find it absurd.

As to do the Ferengi sell drugs? Perhaps such things are less harmful then. It's not impossible to think races have developed substances that give highs but don't have such damaging effects. His shock could almost be just how bad their choice of drug is.

A bit like we'd recoil at how trepanning was used inappropriately, or leeches.
 
As to do the Ferengi sell drugs? Perhaps such things are less harmful then. It's not impossible to think races have developed substances that give highs but don't have such damaging effects. His shock could almost be just how bad their choice of drug is.

I think this is it. With advanced 24th Century chemistry, being addicted to something is still detrimental to your life, but the act of ingesting it won't kill you.
 
I immediately took the line to just be a product of differing cultural views on smoking vs drinking in the United States of America of the 1990s. I also figure the writers forgot that alcohol is also addictive, in that it produces dangerous withdrawls in addicts.

And so Quark takes jabs at smokers because they are becoming an anachronism to the viewer.
 
It might have been more interesting if Quark initially had an unusually positive reaction (i.e., Ferengi find the smell of tobacco incredibly irresistible) before eventually expressing surprise when he learns that smoking is a hazardous recreation.
 
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