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Does Maurice Hurley deserve more credit for his Star Trek work?

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I'm rewatching TNG for the umpeenth time, and this occurred to me. I know it's the topic do jour to call everything underrated these days, but was he underrated?

Personally I'm a Pulaski fan. I can see what he was trying to do by bringing in Diana Muldaur. However I appreciate I'll always be in the minority on this, and just like "Pulaski was mean to Data" "Maury was mean to Gates" will likely always land him a bad reputation.

But let's not re-litigate that point. Let's focus on the other aspects.

I think in some ways he suffered from the period of Trek he was in. Gene got all the credit for creating the show, and was involved in early episodes and introduced us to characters like Q. Michael Piller joined in season three and is widely regarded as the person who put Trek on the map and his work is beloved across TNG, DS9 and VOY.

That places Maury in this weird limbo position between them both, and in a period where a lot of people say just skip those seasons. And of course the backdrop of a writer's strike too, that didn't help.

But I think that misses a lot of his contribution.

TNG was being written by Gene's lawyer for crying out loud, and Maury maneuvered it so he took over he took over. And I think from his first episode as showrunner "Heart of Glory" you saw a real elevation in the quality and dialogue.

He is responsible for bringing back to the Romulans. Foreshadowing the Borg then creating hem up in "Q Who?"

He brought in Melinda Snodgrass and gave us the beloved "The Measure of a Man?" and she set up things like the poker game.

He put some noses out of joint in the old guard, but people like Snodgrass speak highly of him and his writing advice.

I think that latter half of season one and then season two was really transformational, and paved the way to what would come after even if you don't like it all.

He probably deserves more credit than he gets in terms of the Trek pantheon.
 
His vision for the show was probably more interesting than subsequent showrunners; I've always really wanted to see his plans for "The Royale". It's already one of the highlights of S2 but it sounds like he had to push to get it just to the state it's in, and wanted to go even further with it.

It might be a huge assumption on my part but I also feel like he was in sort of a sweet spot, he wasn't committed to the infamous "Gene's Vision" enough to ruin the show for it, and was less content to make stolid, subdued stuff than the later showrunners. You can really feel rewatching S2 that the show is desperately trying to take itself off in a more interesting direction (that still doesn't compromise the weird "utopia" theme) but it all starts to fizzle after that.
 
His vision for the show was probably more interesting than subsequent showrunners; I've always really wanted to see his plans for "The Royale".
"The Royale" was Tracy Torme's script. Hurley fucked it up.

"One of the executive producers and I had a severe disagreement about how the show should be done, and for reasons which I believe are personal rather than professional, I was informed that I was being removed from the script. At that point, I immediately told them that I wanted my name off the script, because I knew the direction they were going to go in, and I just knew with all my heart that it was a bad choice. I've completely disowned the piece."
 
Ah, right - I'd misremembered Hurley in Torme's place there for some reason. I think I'd been left with a good impression of Hurley after Shatner's documentary though I forget why.
 
“Maury was mean to Gates” seems like a rather dismissive way of putting what at best was either Hurley being a misogynist towards McFadden and getting her fired (if we’re are believing her, and why shouldn’t we?) or at worst him sexually harassing her (if the rumors are to be believed; she herself did never speak to that). From what I heard of him he was an unpleasant, uncollaborative control freak who arguably made scripts worse through his rewrites.

I’m sure he’s also contributed positive elements to Trek and as with everything the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but from all that I’m personally not super inclined to give Hurley any more credit than he’s already given by virtue of being named in the credits of the episodes he’s produced.
 
“Maury was mean to Gates” seems like a rather dismissive way of putting what at best was either Hurley being a misogynist towards McFadden and getting her fired (if we’re are believing her, and why shouldn’t we?) or at worst him sexually harassing her (if the rumors are to be believed; she herself did never speak to that). From what I heard of him he was an unpleasant, uncollaborative control freak who arguably made scripts worse through his rewrites.

...from all that I’m personally not super inclined to give Hurley any more credit than he’s already given by virtue of being named in the credits of the episodes he’s produced.
All true.
 
“Maury was mean to Gates” seems like a rather dismissive way of putting what at best was either Hurley being a misogynist towards McFadden and getting her fired (if we’re are believing her, and why shouldn’t we?) or at worst him sexually harassing her (if the rumors are to be believed; she herself did never speak to that). From what I heard of him he was an unpleasant, uncollaborative control freak who arguably made scripts worse through his rewrites.

It was a play on the "Pulaski was mean to Data" which I referenced a few words before. I don't know anything you talk of, so can't comment and and unable to comment.

I can't dismiss what I don't know.

But replacing a woman with a woman would be odd misogyny. Taking on female writers like Melinda Snodgrass would odd misogyny. Doesn't mean it can't also take place in parallel granted, but as I said I'm unable to comment on rumours.

And it's interesting as Snodgrass said he wasn't that way but later producers were. She left because of being heavily edited by men (I think Piller is the implication.)

I suspect it comes down to a difference of creative vision; and that the no one wants their work meddled with. But when he became show runner he wanted to take it in his direction, which was the thrust of this thread. It could even be he was "managing them out" to use that lovely term.

And on that note just listening to how he and Snodgrass sat down and hammered out that fantastic scene with Whoopi in Measure of Man adds another string to his bow in my mind since writing this thread just mere hours ago.
 
The misogyny wasn’t (just) in the firing of McFadden, but in dismissing her notes trying to make the writing of the show less sexist. She noticed how Crusher in her relationship with Wesley was always just written as the nagging mother and that whenever someone needed to give him parental advice it was one of the male characters. Apparently he didn’t like a female actress speaking up and trying to influence the writing at all and that’s why he got rid of her (she’s recounting it in a podcast here). She’s also mentioning the sexist writing of “Angel One” to illustrate her point. And it’s my understanding that Hurley was also part of the reason why the writing for Tasha Yar didn’t improve, making Denise Crosby decide to leave the show. Apparently he had a somewhat sexist idea of what female characters on the show should be like, and both McFadden and Crosby didn’t really want to fall in line with that idea.

In my opinion bringing in Diana Muldaur and Melinda Snodgrass does not necessarily contradict any of that misogyny. Someone can be problematic with one person and absolutely fine with another. McFadden admits that despite a successful career on the stage she was rather new to Hollywood and how it worked when TNG started. Maybe that’s a reason why Hurley found it easier to work with someone like Muldaur, who was a veteran of television.

But yeah, at the end of the day neither one of us were there to really make up our own minds. Well, most of us weren’t. @Mudd at the very least was writing for the show and would probably be privy to talking to people who actually worked with and under Hurley. His visceral reaction to Hurley does certainly give the view of him as problematic some credence. At least to me it does.
 
Ah, right - I'd misremembered Hurley in Torme's place there for some reason. I think I'd been left with a good impression of Hurley after Shatner's documentary though I forget why.
I watched that. I don't think there's a thing Hurley says in his interviews there that was true, although I'd have to watch it again to be certain that some unvarnished fact didn't somehow slip through at some point.
 
But yeah, at the end of the day neither one of us were there to really make up our own minds. Well, most of us weren’t. @Mudd at the very least was writing for the show and would probably be privy to talking to people who actually worked with and under Hurley.

Oh I thought Mudd was just being rude.

TBH this thread was not about character anyway, it was about was Hurley influential in a weird sort of in-between period of TNG's history and for some key changes that would have a lasting impact.
 
I'm rewatching TNG for the umpeenth time

😃 :luvlove:

, and this occurred to me. I know it's the topic do jour to call everything underrated these days, but was he underrated?

Overal, yep. Maurice Hurley's ideas and contributions to the show (but not the actors!) are indeed underrated.

Especially season 2 where there's a generally consistent feel and tone and reminder that outer space is a dangerous place.

(Disclaimer: A novel will soon be following, though I promise I won't check the word count (with or without spaces)...)

Personally I'm a Pulaski fan. I can see what he was trying to do by bringing in Diana Muldaur. However I appreciate I'll always be in the minority on this, and just like "Pulaski was mean to Data" "Maury was mean to Gates" will likely always land him a bad reputation.

Add one to the count here. Season 1 Crusher wasn't bad and, while I disliked the reasons she had left (season 1 Beverly wasn't bad...), the crew DID need some interpersonal tension at times and Pulaski was perfect. Here, the arc of Pulaski warming up to a robot was introduced and it's generally well-handled, with "Pen Pals" being the turning point given she's an eyewitness to how Data gives a ship about a bunch of people. (Now it may be down to heuristic programming (or Hulreyistic :guffaw:), but Data was just recalling one of Starfleet's tenets. After all, he saved the 20th century fossils from "The Neutral Zone" as well and one of them saved Picard's bacon, eggs, toast, glass of orange juice, bowl of sugar cereal, pancakes, bottle of horseradish syrup, etc, too by doubling for Troi (Troi aside, it's a great scene with multiple facets).

But let's not re-litigate that point. Let's focus on the other aspects.

I think in some ways he suffered from the period of Trek he was in. Gene got all the credit for creating the show, and was involved in early episodes and introduced us to characters like Q. Michael Piller joined in season three and is widely regarded as the person who put Trek on the map and his work is beloved across TNG, DS9 and VOY.

Great points, all. I'd add Ira Steven Behr to the list as he's behind some of the best TNG before going to DS9 (where his contributions were also well above average) and likely helping keeping 90s Trek going.

That places Maury in this weird limbo position between them both, and in a period where a lot of people say just skip those seasons. And of course the backdrop of a writer's strike too, that didn't help.

The strike clobbered season 2, resulting in a chunk of dropped story slots, having to dig up dusty material sitting in a corner to repurpose ("The Child"), and - gasp and gadzooks - a clip show because there simply was no time. And, you know what? Remove the clips and the predictable ending and there is a very palpable sense of threat to the jungle planet, which was beautifully constructed. TNG, as with a lot of sci-fi in general, never showed such environments (much less succeed with killer vines that felt plausible.) Yep, "Shades of Gray" is not TNG's worst, not by any measure of a production.

But I think that misses a lot of his contribution.

TNG was being written by Gene's lawyer for crying out loud, and Maury maneuvered it so he took over he took over.


A fascinating story for sure!

And I think from his first episode as showrunner "Heart of Glory" you saw a real elevation in the quality and dialogue.

^^this!!!!!!!!!!

Quality did rise as well as stories feeling like they had just a bit more substance and agency. Now a disclaimer, I do like some of the earliest episodes, but a lot of them do feel "by the numbers" and "going through the motions" at times. Hurley at the reins honestly was the first who saved the show. (Gene obviously having some clever input by creating Q, which added needed depth to "Farpoint", but sexing up "Justice" was... um... cringeworthy. Yep, we don't need massage oil and rubbing to make for good sci-fi and there was more than enough of that in TOS with the semi-misperception of Kirk running around, but that's another story show.)

He is responsible for bringing back to the Romulans. Foreshadowing the Borg then creating hem up in "Q Who?"

1. great foreshadowing
2. the Romulan scene ending with "We are back" feels almost fourth wall to the audience in promising the show will do better* next season so don't change the channel, but it holds its own while leaving enough room to explore the Romulans properly later on.
3.the scooped out planets was a cool mystery, and I'm glad - ironically - for season 2's writer strike as I don't think insect fritters would have been as cool as the Borg. (I don't recall, were the insect beings responsible for pitting the planets also behind the "Conspiracy" crawdads? Also note, "Conspiracy" and "Coming of Age" preceding it was a mini arc with the latter foreshadowing the latter too.)

* it did fulfil that promise, and more :luvlove:


He brought in Melinda Snodgrass and gave us the beloved "The Measure of a Man?" and she set up things like the poker game.

The poker, in hindsight, is cool. Just remember, Geordi's glorified beer googles allow him to count the cards... TMofaM is a tad overrated, but that's another story.

He put some noses out of joint in the old guard, but people like Snodgrass speak highly of him and his writing advice.

I think that latter half of season one and then season two was really transformational, and paved the way to what would come after even if you don't like it all.

Even cast members, if I recall correctly, said the show pretty much found itself in season 2. Most of it definitely gelled in 2, with 3 just polishing up what was already working, to help ensure we didn't get anymore episodes in the style of "The Cringeworthy Okona", I forgot its name... :whistle:

He probably deserves more credit than he gets in terms of the Trek pantheon.

Lots.

Not just for "outer space is a dangerous place" but for ramping up some creative science fiction:

"Q Who" is a double feature, with not just the Borg but laying groundwork between Q and Guinan, which would not be fleshed out in TNG's run. Plus, the story successfully gets around the end of "Hide & Q"'s edict by Picard mentioning how Q would not bother the ship again (H&Q said "species", though I wish someone at the time would have said "ship", but Q was too good a character to ditch like that and Hurley's bringing him back didn't alter Q as a character. Unlike the Borg, but that's another sequel...)

"Contagion" introduces the Ikonians along with being cautionary on perceiving history for which no written material exists - never mind how written material can be misinterpreted. The Ikonians were labeled "aggressors" due to their teleportation technology, but I agree with Picard's reasoning and not because he's the captain. It's all deftly handled. This episode is also one of the few times that bringing up "warp core breach" genuinely felt worrisome**, rather than a rubberstamped bit of treknobabble.

** thus making one breach their undies as a result, assuming any are being worn, but if not, now they know why wearing them can be useful, but I digress within this digression​

I'd already adumbrated "Pen Pals", which is largely great (though the ending with the conch, meant to show Data has a soul, falls apart because that's just compounding the risk of Sarjenka's memory wipe failing - UGH!!) Ditto for "Shades of Gray", though if you're not aware of the production issues, it's easy why people would be taken aback - especially if they were engrossed in this alien planet plot setup and now it's watching Riker get off with (and infected/ing) every lady in the galaxy. I'd have to count the episodes as to how many confirm Kirk was "teaching love" versus Riker "teaching love" but I'm sure Riker had the higher score, no pun intended, long before episode 79...

"Where Silence Has Lease" is more about the thick atmosphere and suspense as it's more fantasy driven, but the build-up is highly successful and the idea of the ship's complement as lab rats definitely is scary. Just ignore the scene where Data goes out of his way to hammer home that the void they're seeing is nothing like what they'd scene before (thus deftly getting around any fans wanting to chime in with "Oi, what about 'The Immunity Syndrome'?")

"Time Squared" is a great take on a time loop and doing something clever with it, by making Picard second guess himself after seeing himself. "Cause and Effect" is also clever, but does start to get boring despite the attempts of all involved. The season 2 story definitely does much for Picard, and Troi.

"Loud as a Whisper" is a novel idea, fairly well executed, and I love Riva and his chorus. Heck, people say how "Herman's Head" influenced media made after it, but surely HH was influenced by this story's chorus? To be fair, HH lost its way after season 1, but that's another story series...

"Unnatural Selection" was TNG's attempt to do the old aging trope in a way other than "comet whizzes by, now we all die". IMHO, it's done better, and it provides more insight into Pulaski's character and motivations and with some deftness. Research takes time, but even in the best of cases research involves some risk and meanwhile the clock is ticking. What would you do, if there was a problem requiring urgency given the scope of the situation? That is what this episode loosely asks as well. And I love it. Even more than Frank Drebin loving swimming in raw sewage, but that's another movie and in another genre too...

"Emissary" also explores Klingons, even if they're using a trope used in "Gilligan's Island" where someone out of touch still thinks their war is going on decades' later. There's some character drama, but it doesn't descend into soap opera level (wait for season 5 for that, not to mention all those lovely predictably Alexander stories because, as Cousin Oliver proved time and again, adding kids into a show to liven it up always works as well as marrying characters. But that's another show bunch of shows and their unsurprisingly last seasons I'm not going to tangent toward right now.

"The Dauphin" is a terrific coming of age story for Wesley who, as in "Pen Pals", is treated like a human and not a glorified popsicle stick that can save the universe at every turn. You may have heard of "Flanderization"***, but Wesley is the reverse of that TV trope as he starts out as a caricature but is slowly crafted into someone more substantial. Oh, the bit about the ship component Wesley was casually hauling that could rip all the iron out of his blood was a neat little sciencey thing, which also reminds how outer space is a dangerous place. Plus, Anya vs Worf were great scenes, and a rematch might have been brill.

*** My apologies in advance; you'll read one page but then open up new tabs from links that site presents and two minutes later you'll have fifty web browser tabs open...​

"Peak Performance" fudges in a need for war games pitting an advanced ship against a much earlier model because they're paralleling the Borg and otherwise never-dee-ever do training exercises to remain sharp, but the setup and payoff with the battle are simply much fun and engaging.


"Manhunt" is another terrific Lwaxana episode, if you like Lwaxana.

"Up The Long Ladder" is a misfire, but the Pulaski scene with Worf and partaking in ceremony after injecting herself with an antidote to a liquid that is lethal to humans (but merely toxic to Klingons) is highly astute, even if the labeling of the ceremony is a bit slim (and this was before Worf spewed out Klingon aspects every other minute so he didn't correct her on "the Klingon tea ceremony" but it's an umbrella term, so it doesn't not work.) Not all species can eat or ingest the same things, something most Trek episodes forget about, and it drives me up the wall at warp speed.


"A Matter of Honor" does the "exchange student" shtick very cleverly, allowing 24th Klingons to be explored more. It's a classic, loaded with memorable lines and things to think about. Also, when Riker got back to the Enterprise, he started developing blisters but thankfully Dr Pulaski is aware of Klingon ailments and those that can cross species and got him treated so he could go back out the following season.

"The Royale" is an oddball, but also shows - as payoff - the ultimate in miscommunication and it's a tragedy. Underrated story, though the 20th century surroundings probably took people by surprise abject recoil until the big reveal that the away team were living in a recreation of a book, made by aliens who'd saved a human astronaut and thought that's how humans lived so they thought they were doing him a favor. Whoops... (it's really quite the morbid story, proving yet again that space is a dangerous place. So is a restaurant that lets cockroaches crawl over all the buffet items, but that's another story...) I'm ever so glad the astronaut didn't have the novelization of all 98 episodes of "Gilligan's Island"...

"The Child" is the hand-me-down from "Phase II", granting us a modicum of insight into how the (yep, late-1970s) show might have handled things.

"Samaritan Snare" involves the Pakleds, who just come across as a second-rate Borg and just after the Borg's episode as well (um, too soon!!!). But they're handled much better in "Lower Decks", and there is a palpable sense of threat against Geordi because, you guessed it, outer space is a dangerous place. Add in some lame technobabble and ham acting with capillaries and it goes south, but even this episode isn't without a good scene or two - which is better than season 1's clunkers where no part of it is good (e.g. "Justice").

"The Icarus Factor" features Riker's dad and how dad and Pulaski were an item too. Yay for small universe syndrome! But all that aside, the Wesley/Worf scenes are... yep, the best and by far. You probably weren't expecting to read that, were you? Or this as well: The family fluff made me think of "The Golden Girls" and how they revolve around teh fam, and as outer space is a dangerous place to be explored, the soap opera just falls firmly flat.

"The Outrageous Okona" is the biggest stinker, and the biggest name in comedy wouldn't have elevated the Comic. Especially as the on-screen chemistry between Goldberg and Spiner stole the show. If I remember correctly, one dude in 10-Forward is looking way too smiley as well. It tries too hard with elements of "Romeo & Juliet" combined with a misunderstanding trope taken from "Three's Company" but played seriously, in order to allow Data's "understanding humor" subplot to be given focus. If they want a comedy circus episode, good luck, but I wouldn't ditch the Data subplot because of the chemistry, and comedy requires a strong point of reference for it to land and we know nothing of these other two species that Okana is transporting items between and this story isn't worthy of having 3 episodes devoted to each species in order to build up the comedy subplot to make that work... besides, "fish out of water" was done more effectively in TNG already and Okana being the latest minnow out of the pond just isn't one-upping the trope. Looks like a discount Han Solo, with discount Ham Sandwich being eaten along with the scenery...
 
The strike clobbered season 2, resulting in a chunk of dropped story slots, having to dig up dusty material sitting in a corner to repurpose ("The Child"), and - gasp and gadzooks - a clip show because there simply was no time.

This is a myth that refuses to die. The clip show had nothing to do with the strike; the strike ended 8 months before it was written. Clip shows used to be a routine part of American television, and still are in some countries, whereas writers' strikes are rarities. So it's bizarre that people keep making this assumption. The anomaly wasn't that TNG did a clip episode; the anomaly was that it only did one, when most syndicated shows from that era, and many network shows, did a mandatory clip show every season as a built-in budget-saving measure. "Shades of Gray" was just so bad that the Trek producers strove to avoid having to do another clip show, instead saving money by doing character-focused bottle episodes like TNG: "The Drumhead" and DS9: "Duet."

It's well-documented that the reason for "Shades of Gray" was the same as the standard reason for every clip show ever: To save money. To quote Memory Alpha:
This episode was written to save time and money as a result of budget overruns earlier in the season. It was shot in only three days, while most take at least a week. Director Rob Bowman commented, "It was Paramount saying, 'We gave you more money for "Elementary, Dear Data" and the Borg show. Now do us a favor and give us a three-day show.' So that's what you do. It's an accepted part of the medium." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, p. 182)

The strike affected the end of the first season. The climax of "We'll Always Had Paris" had to be revised more or less improvisationally during shooting (I think they called up the writer and asked for suggestions, which was technically strikebreaking), and "The Neutral Zone" had to be shot from an unrevised first-draft script, which is why it's such a mess. Also, season 2 was shortened by four episodes and started a month late. And yes, it postponed the pre-season development process, which is why they put leftover Phase II scripts in the pipeline, but the strike ended early enough that they were able to rewrite "The Child," and were able to postpone using "Devil's Due" until a couple of seasons later when they finally got it into a usable form. But there's no sense in this persistent myth that it had an effect on the end of the season more than half a year later.



A fascinating story for sure!

That site is very unreliable and biased. I wouldn't trust anything it says.


"Contagion" introduces the Ikonians along with being cautionary on perceiving history for which no written material exists - never mind how written material can be misinterpreted. The Ikonians were labeled "aggressors" due to their teleportation technology, but I agree with Picard's reasoning and not because he's the captain. It's all deftly handled. This episode is also one of the few times that bringing up "warp core breach" genuinely felt worrisome**, rather than a rubberstamped bit of treknobabble.

Yes -- "Contagion" made a point of how a core breach is almost impossible because it requires multiple redundant safeguards to fail simultaneously, but later writers got lazy and threw in core breaches as go-to threats so often that it felt like a warp core would blow up if you looked at it funny.


"Loud as a Whisper" is a novel idea, fairly well executed, and I love Riva and his chorus. Heck, people say how "Herman's Head" influenced media made after it, but surely HH was influenced by this story's chorus?

Unlikely. The concept of personifications of the voices inside our heads was around in cartoons and humor for a long time before either show, such as the long-running British comic strip The Numskulls beginning in 1962, or the "mission control" segment in Woody Allen's Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex* (*But Were Afraid to Ask) (1972).

It's never wise to assume that if one thing reminds you of another relatively recent thing, it means that one was inspired by the other. It's usually far more likely that both were inspired by earlier cultural tropes.


"Emissary" also explores Klingons, even if they're using a trope used in "Gilligan's Island" where someone out of touch still thinks their war is going on decades' later.

Here too, the "Japanese soldier thinks WWII is still going on" trope was around long before Gilligan's Island referenced it.
 
I know nothing about Maurice Hurley as an individual. I know nothing of his character. He may have been a great guy or he may have been an asshole. I wasn't there. I'm just a fan of the show. So I'm not looking to praise or criticize him as a man. Just to talk about his work that I, as a fan, am able to observe from watching the show.

That being said, yes, I think his contributions are underrated. His name often gets forgotten, as people talk about Gene Roddenberry and then seem to think it just transitioned to Rick Berman and Michael Piller. Piller, in particular, gets all the praise for "fixing" TNG. The conventional wisdom is that TNG was awful until season 3 when Piller took over.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I think season 2 of TNG may have been its best season. Regardless of the behind-the-scenes reasons that may have prompted the change, I think Pulaski was a more interesting character than Crusher and I think Diana Muldaur is a better actress than Gates McFadden as well. I also like the fact that season 2 was more focused on being a science fiction piece than a character drama that happened to be set in space. As was already pointed out above, there was still a feeling that space was big and weird and dangerous, culminating perhaps in "Q Who?" when Q said as much, and when the Borg were truly, IMHO, done right for the one and only time.

I am not saying, BTW, that TNG was bad after Hurley left. Not at all. I am a fan of the entire show, from the "growing pains" of season 1 to the sometimes "running on fumes" season 7. And I think there were lots of good, interesting stories produced under Piller. I am just saying that, for me, season 2 is the standout season and, again solely on the basis of the work produced, that Hurley deserves way more credit than he gets.
 
I wouldn't say Hurley's tenure was as good as Piller's, but it was certainly an improvement on Roddenberry's. As for Pulaski, I didn't think she was that effective. In principle, yeah, a character who brought more conflict was a good idea, but they took the laziest possible approach with Pulaski, making her a virtually exact copy of Leonard McCoy right down to the transporter phobia, the history of divorce, and the bickering with the unemotional genius character.
 
Yes -- "Contagion" made a point of how a core breach is almost impossible because it requires multiple redundant safeguards to fail simultaneously, but later writers got lazy and threw in core breaches as go-to threats so often that it felt like a warp core would blow up if you looked at it funny.
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This is a myth that refuses to die. The clip show had nothing to do with the strike; the strike ended 8 months before it was written. Clip shows used to be a routine part of American television, and still are in some countries, whereas writers' strikes are rarities. So it's bizarre that people keep making this assumption. The anomaly wasn't that TNG did a clip episode; the anomaly was that it only did one, when most syndicated shows from that era, and many network shows, did a mandatory clip show every season as a built-in budget-saving measure. "Shades of Gray" was just so bad that the Trek producers strove to avoid having to do another clip show, instead saving money by doing character-focused bottle episodes like TNG: "The Drumhead" and DS9: "Duet."

It's well-documented that the reason for "Shades of Gray" was the same as the standard reason for every clip show ever: To save money. To quote Memory Alpha:


The strike affected the end of the first season. The climax of "We'll Always Had Paris" had to be revised more or less improvisationally during shooting (I think they called up the writer and asked for suggestions, which was technically strikebreaking), and "The Neutral Zone" had to be shot from an unrevised first-draft script, which is why it's such a mess. Also, season 2 was shortened by four episodes and started a month late. And yes, it postponed the pre-season development process, which is why they put leftover Phase II scripts in the pipeline, but the strike ended early enough that they were able to rewrite "The Child," and were able to postpone using "Devil's Due" until a couple of seasons later when they finally got it into a usable form. But there's no sense in this persistent myth that it had an effect on the end of the season more than half a year later.

😱 Oh wow. Thanks for the correction! I recall how sitcoms had done it ("The Golden Girls" being a repeat offender, even in the same season) but not as much for dramas, though I hadn't watched many at the time.

But I'll still defend the non-clip scenes for their immersive feel. :D

That site is very unreliable and biased. I wouldn't trust anything it says.

Great to know, thanks!

Yes -- "Contagion" made a point of how a core breach is almost impossible because it requires multiple redundant safeguards to fail simultaneously, but later writers got lazy and threw in core breaches as go-to threats so often that it felt like a warp core would blow up if you looked at it funny.

Definitely too much of a crutch, especially in later seasons. TOS's Enterprise managed to handle a lot more space fights without inducing the standby drama of 'Warp core going to explode", and I vaguely recall some jokes in the 90s about the big D being so fragile... then again, TNG is loaded with conduit coupler comments as well that don't quite add up unless the conduits channeling plasma, but half the time it felt just as rubberstamped into the scripts.

Unlikely. The concept of personifications of the voices inside our heads was around in cartoons and humor for a long time before either show, such as the long-running British comic strip The Numskulls beginning in 1962, or the "mission control" segment in Woody Allen's Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex* (*But Were Afraid to Ask) (1972).

It's never wise to assume that if one thing reminds you of another relatively recent thing, it means that one was inspired by the other. It's usually far more likely that both were inspired by earlier cultural tropes.

:techman: Very, very true. (Thanks much for the edification!)

Here too, the "Japanese soldier thinks WWII is still going on" trope was around long before Gilligan's Island referenced it.

Too true, same cause and reason as before. I wish I could have remembered the original example (or, better yet, had looked up the original to say direct.)
 
😱 Oh wow. Thanks for the correction! I recall how sitcoms had done it ("The Golden Girls" being a repeat offender, even in the same season) but not as much for dramas, though I hadn't watched many at the time.

I remember MacGyver having clip shows at least once a season. It was a common practice in action shows. Later series like Showtime's Outer Limits and Stargate SG-1 had annual clip shows built into their budgets from the start -- even though Outer Limits was an anthology series, so it was bizarre to see them try to retroactively lump multiple unrelated stories together in a shared continuity (although there was at least one season where they set it up from the start, using a recurring tech/robotics company in multiple episodes). The fourth season of the syndicated The Adventures of Superboy actually had two consecutive clip episodes. Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess had fun with their obligatory annual clip shows, doing goofy frame stories like having the casts play caricatures of the show's production staff.

Technically, Star Trek: "The Menagerie" is a clip show; it's just built around clips from an unaired episode. Gilligan's Island's season 1 Christmas episode did much the same with footage from its unaired pilot.
 
Given Gene Roddenberry's reputed excessively proprietary behavior with regard to ST, taking credit for everything anybody came up with, there's no doubt in my mind that Hurley deserves more credit for his ST work.

Along with Justman, Coon, and a veritable who's who of people who were involved in ST production during his lifetime.
 
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