Either way it is beautiful. I love accents.
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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The housemate and I watched "The Corbomite Maneuver" last night, and in Sulu's first closeup, it looks like the collar on his uniform is undone. It's fitting VERY loosely around his neck. I think it's partially unzipped.
That looks more like it hasn't been tailored to him yet. It's all the way up, you can see the slide.
It fits more snugly around his neck later in the show, which is what makes me think it wasn't properly fastened in the opening scene.
Maybe Bill Blackburn let Sulu borrow his official Star Fleet tunic.
According to Memory Alpha: "In Sulu's first close-up, the zipper built into the collar is visible – because he was wearing a "leftover" from the first two pilots that was retrofitted, with the new black collar."
In seems to me that almost all the uniforms in that episode seem rumpled and ill-fitting, particularly the oversized collars that all male crewmembers sport (especially Spock). Perhaps there wasn't time to shoot some costume tests before filming. I know Spock's collar was oversized in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to hide snaps (instead of a zipper) that would make it easier to put on after makeup was applied, I suppose it was the same here as well.
In seems to me that almost all the uniforms in that episode seem rumpled and ill-fitting, particularly the oversized collars that all male crewmembers sport (especially Spock). Perhaps there wasn't time to shoot some costume tests before filming. I know Spock's collar was oversized in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to hide snaps (instead of a zipper) that would make it easier to put on after makeup was applied, I suppose it was the same here as well.
I think some of the tunics were refurbished from the ones used in the pilots. Might account for the odd fits.
Probably. I wonder if there are any surviving memos discussing this.
Actually, they do. As with many regional dialects, there are many variations in pronunciation, not all of them standardized even among individual speakers. I agree that he probably just used the wrong word, but your statement above is, respectfully, inaccurate.
I was not making a sweeping statement about all vowels in all regional dialects, but rather a narrow one about those vowels in Southern accents. When I said
"A short ŏ doesn't otherwise become a long ō."
I meant, under the context established by the preceding sentence:
"When speaking with a Southern accent, a short ŏ doesn't otherwise become a long ō."
Perhaps I should have been clearer.A variation in pronunciation due to a regional dialect is generally not per se a mis-pronunciation. One judges relative to the dialect in effect. I realize that this means than in some regional dialects vowels can sometimes lose their distinction, like with the infamous pen/pin example [link].
But not in this case, with these vowels, in a Southern accent.
If I had made the statement intending it to be applied generally, outside of this context, I would agree that it's inaccurate.
I understood you. I disagree, having heard many many southerners pronounce "on" (the preposition) like "own." It's okay if your mileage varies.
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Unlikely. We've seen few memos on costuming. Either that stuff never crossed Roddenberry's desk, or it was handled in conversation or production meetings.
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
In the last act, a red shirt follows Lokai onto the bridge and assumes a parade rest position next to the Engineering console.
After more dialog and fighting, the red shirt has apparently disappeared. When Bele and Lokai flee the bridge, Uhura asks Kirk if she should contact security.
**Thanks to Trek Core for the images!!**
In the last act, a red shirt follows Lokai onto the bridge and assumes a parade rest position next to the Engineering console.
After more dialog and fighting, the red shirt has apparently disappeared. When Bele and Lokai flee the bridge, Uhura asks Kirk if she should contact security.
**Thanks to Trek Core for the images!!**
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
In the last act, a red shirt follows Lokai onto the bridge and assumes a parade rest position next to the Engineering console.
After more dialog and fighting, the red shirt has apparently disappeared. When Bele and Lokai flee the bridge, Uhura asks Kirk if she should contact security.
**Thanks to Trek Core for the images!!**
Good catch. I remembered what your point was probably going to be as soon as I saw the first pic. Although I'm not one of this episode's seemingly many detractors, it was nice that they thought to have some security following the Cheronians (?) around. But given that they had personal shields and such, perhaps it was best that the security person just took a powder. "Battlefield"—though it has many virtues in my view—is not a great episode in terms of shipboard security.
In "Operation-- Annihilate!" Peter is lying about a foot from Sam's boots:
But then they are separated:
I don't suppose this is a continuity error, but an example of condensing events to keep the narrative flowing. The episode doesn't want to bog us down with Kirk dragging Sam's body out of the way. We can just figure that happened and get on with the story.
But then they are separated:
I don't suppose this is a continuity error, but an example of condensing events to keep the narrative flowing. The episode doesn't want to bog us down with Kirk dragging Sam's body out of the way. We can just figure that happened and get on with the story.
Which should never be done. Bad editing.
Not necessarily. Sometimes it's more important to maintain the pace of the story than to show action that isn't really needed. Also, remember that each episode had to come in at 52 minutes (plus or minus a few seconds) which meant that sometimes even useful and explanatory dialogue was left on the cutting-room floor. For example, there's Kirk's line to Spock in "Mirror, Mirror": "How long before the Halkan prediction of galactic revolt is realized?" He's referring to an earlier scene that had to be cut for time.
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Has that scene surfaced anywhere else?
Try this. I don't remember if it does or not (read it a while ago).
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