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The General Knight Rider thread.

I'm pretty sure what people creating TV shows did back then was pick a concept (hero saves people, for example), then built it around ideas and sometimes around actors. Other times, I have learned over time, they like a certain actor or actress, and build a show for that person ("Dollhouse" for example).

The idea was to make pilots and hope one sells, because the vast majority did not. You want to get a series going, try to make money, and if you have higher aspirations, get your foot in the door with a TV series. They weren't trying to re-invent the wheel for the most part. If one type of series was popular, others swooped in to try and make knock-offs to ride the success (multiple "Miami Vice" knocks offs, for example).
KR was similar to other series of the time. A science fiction concept (an indestructible machine equipped with real AI) never truly explored in its implications and used to tell stories that were, all things considered, banal and completely interchangeable with other series of the time. I'm absolutely certain that an episode of KR, with a few small changes, could have become one of Magnum P.I., Street Hawk, or Hardcastle & McCormick.

Who remembers "The Powers of Matthew Star"? The US Government finds a bona fide alien and the proof that there are other civilizations who could one day attack the Earth and what they do? "There are these criminals who are running some casinos. Could you do something about that? Thank you"
 
KR was similar to other series of the time. A science fiction concept (an indestructible machine equipped with real AI) never truly explored in its implications and used to tell stories that were, all things considered, banal and completely interchangeable with other series of the time. I'm absolutely certain that an episode of KR, with a few small changes, could have become one of Magnum P.I., Street Hawk, or Hardcastle & McCormick.

Who remembers "The Powers of Matthew Star"? The US Government finds a bona fide alien and the proof that there are other civilizations who could one day attack the Earth and what they do? "There are these criminals who are running some casinos. Could you do something about that? Thank you"

Well, that pretty much describes like 85% of all television: interchangeable.



And, lord, was "The Powers of Matthew Starr" awful. I started ripping into it with the episode "Prediction":

 
The Lone Ranger inference is interesting, that's for sure. I never quite looked at it that way before, but it does have all the elements. I wonder if KR's creator was thinking of that when coming up with the concept, ie modernizing the Lone Ranger as a science-fiction with a talking car. It certainly took off in terms of merchandising.

Maybe not specifically the Lone Ranger, but the show was definitely a throwback to Westerns and other shows about wandering heroes riding into a town and cleaning it up before moving on, whether on horseback like in Have Gun, Will Travel or behind the wheel like in Route 66. It was a pretty standard format for decades. The only real novelty was the talking car (and even that had been done before).

The Knight Rider theme music has always struck me as a cross between a cowboy-music sound and a flamenco-ish Latin sound, like it was evoking Zorro or the Cisco Kid or something (although Larson said he was inspired by a theme from a ballet by the French composer Delibes).


KR was similar to other series of the time. A science fiction concept (an indestructible machine equipped with real AI) never truly explored in its implications and used to tell stories that were, all things considered, banal and completely interchangeable with other series of the time. I'm absolutely certain that an episode of KR, with a few small changes, could have become one of Magnum P.I., Street Hawk, or Hardcastle & McCormick.

Indeed. It wasn't unheard of for a freelance writer to sell or at least market the same script to more than one show, adjusting the specifics to fit each one's particular premise or characters. After all, the ideal for decades was to make episodic TV as anthology-like as possible, with the regular characters being largely catalysts or observers for the guest-driven plots of the week, so it was easy enough for a freelancer to construct a plot and then plug different lead characters into it, under the guidance of the show's regular head writer and story editor.

I think that's a large part of why pre-1990s superhero TV series hardly ever used established comic-book villains (Batman '66 was the main exception, yet 2/3 of its villains were created for the show). In a freelancer-driven TV ecosystem, most of a show's writers wouldn't necessarily have been familiar with the source comics, but would have just pitched whatever general crime stories they came up with.
 
The Knight Rider theme music has always struck me as a cross between a cowboy-music sound and a flamenco-ish Latin sound, like it was evoking Zorro or the Cisco Kid or something (although Larson said he was inspired by a theme from a ballet by the French composer Delibes).

Oh yeah, I can definitely hear some of those inspirations in there. And then of course the riding off into the sunset in the credits.
 
What you hear is just what you think, but the theme and the underlining were both ... politely stolen.

My Deja Vu TV Themes thread:


Huh, never heard of the song, but I can definitely hear a resemblance. I'll say this though. There is a history of media borrowing from classical music that goes back a long time. It's far from being the first and it's far from the last. They'll likely keep doing it because classical music has good structure that they can build upon.
 
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Very cool!

Even though superpursuit mode made absolutely no sense. I mean, KITT was already ridiculously fast. Did it need to get to the finish line three seconds faster?
 
Very cool!

Even though superpursuit mode made absolutely no sense. I mean, KITT was already ridiculously fast. Did it need to get to the finish line three seconds faster?
::shrugs::

It was cool as a kid, but IRL, the way they implemented "Super Pursuit Mode" would increase drag, not reduce it.

But it was the early 1980's, so understanding of Automotive AeroDynamics wasn't as well understood as it is now.

So it's like AirWolf trying to go SuperSonic, fun idea for kids, not anywhere close to realistics or believable in the modern age of informed audiences.
 
Not just that, but ... how does the front extending out, the trunk lifting up, and parts sticking out, make it go faster, anyway?

Thank goodness gimmicks like that were phased out and we didn't get anything like pivoting warp nacel -- oh, wait.
 
But it was the early 1980's, so understanding of Automotive AeroDynamics wasn't as well understood as it is now.

Oh, of course it was understood, don't be condescending. We weren't living in caves, and we'd had wind tunnels for decades. I saw plenty of magazine articles and science-show features at the time about auto aerodynamics. The show just didn't care, as long as it looked cool. As I've been pointing out over and over again, Knight Rider was a low-intelligence show even for its time. It made no pretense of realism on any level. The viewers understood that Super Pursuit Mode was nonsense, the designers surely understood that it was nonsense, but everyone understood that the whole show was nonsense, so it fit right in.

I remember a science magazine article from sometime in the '80s or '90s pointing out that most American cars would actually have better aerodynamics driven in reverse, because an airplane wing is rounded in front and tapers toward the back, while car designs tended to be the other way around. But auto makers prioritized what looked fast to consumers over actual streamlining and fuel efficiency. The science was understood, it just wasn't prioritized by the automakers, any more than it was by the makers of a lowbrow action TV show.

If anything, I think today's American audiences are probably a lot less informed than audiences back then, since the channels that used to be educational, like Discovery and The Science Channel, have mostly degenerated to reality-show crap, UFOs, and ancient astronauts. Not to mention how staggeringly ignorant this generation of Americans seems to be about things that used to be universally understood, like the fact that vaccines work and what the word "pronoun" means.
 
Oh, of course it was understood, don't be condescending. We weren't living in caves, and we'd had wind tunnels for decades. I saw plenty of magazine articles and science-show features at the time about auto aerodynamics. The show just didn't care, as long as it looked cool. As I've been pointing out over and over again, Knight Rider was a low-intelligence show even for its time. It made no pretense of realism on any level. The viewers understood that Super Pursuit Mode was nonsense, the designers surely understood that it was nonsense, but everyone understood that the whole show was nonsense, so it fit right in.

I remember a science magazine article from sometime in the '80s or '90s pointing out that most American cars would actually have better aerodynamics driven in reverse, because an airplane wing is rounded in front and tapers toward the back, while car designs tended to be the other way around. But auto makers prioritized what looked fast to consumers over actual streamlining and fuel efficiency. The science was understood, it just wasn't prioritized by the automakers, any more than it was by the makers of a lowbrow action TV show.

If anything, I think today's American audiences are probably a lot less informed than audiences back then, since the channels that used to be educational, like Discovery and The Science Channel, have mostly degenerated to reality-show crap, UFOs, and ancient astronauts. Not to mention how staggeringly ignorant this generation of Americans seems to be about things that used to be universally understood, like the fact that vaccines work and what the word "pronoun" means.
The general fans understanding wasn't as good as those who worked in the industry.

Most fans weren't thinking about things like AeroDynamics back in 1980's for cars.
 
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