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Warp vs Genesis (TNG 7 x 19) What counts as bad science in Trek? And why nitpick?

That's very interesting. Of all the devices wouldn't have imagined they would pose difficulties

For one thing, trying to "walk on the floor" in weightless space is the equivalent of trying to swim by strapping weights to your ankles and walking on the bottom of the pool. It's not even a good approximation of normal walking, and it's stupidly slow, limiting, and inefficient compared to the easy, graceful way astronauts actually move in space. If you want to hold still, you just grip a rail or hook your foot under it, because spaceships are designed to have hand- and footholds always in easy reach. (The anime series Planetes did a marvelous job showing this.) If you're on the outer hull and want to avoid drifting off, a tether is obviously better, because you don't lose your connection if you lift both feet at once.

For another thing, real spaceships tend to be made of lightweight materials that aren't even magnetic, so that makes it a nonstarter. Also, the magnetic fields could interfere with shipboard electronics. It's just an incredibly bad idea by any realistic standard. Its only possible benefit is to TV/film producers who can't afford to do a lot of wirework stunts to simulate free fall. But I'd rather see that handled through a conjectural future-science artificial-gravity field that we can't rule out than through a real-world method that's already been ruled out. It would be no worse a break from reality than The Expanse's conjectural super-efficient fusion drive.
 
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Actually Dilithium exists.

Chemical formula: Li2

Under what conditions does it exist? In a vacuum with absolutely no water vapor(H2O)...

When you boil Lithium, just above the surface of the boiling Lithium, is Li2.

Now, because of Laser cooling, one ca freeze it into a crystal...so crystallized Li2, is possible. Which leaves us with the question: would it work???

It depends upon exactly what Dilithium does. Store Antimatter? Quite possibly. Align a matter/antimatter stream, in such a way that it would delay onset of the reaction? Possibly.

In other words the reaction can't occur inside the matter/antimatter reactor per se, but is delayed until it it produces the most intense reaction possible, for a given amount of matter/antimatter.

Now about that unicorn...

I expect to see the actual U. S. S. Enterprise, before I see an actual unicorn.

Why? Because while someone back in the 1990s produced a modified goat, with a single horn, it wasn't a true unicorn. Genetic engineering might be able to...
But that would only be someone's interpretation there of.
 
Actually Dilithium exists.
It does not. In Star Trek, dilithium is a chemical element, that—wait for it—does not as such exist on our periodic table.

 
You are making an assumption. I am not. Dilithium does indeed exist, Li2 under the conditions specified.

And using nanotechnology fabrication techniques...it is possible.
 
It does not. In Star Trek, dilithium is a chemical element, that—wait for it—does not as such exist on our periodic table.


We call people who actually do think stuff like this exists cookers... As in they believe all the wacky stuff like alternative health, anti vax some of the time.. You get the idea
 
Trek dilithium is not an element, but a compound. The TNG Technical Manual identified "dilithium" as shorthand for "the forced-matrix formula 2<5>6 dilithium 2<:>1 diallosilicate 1:9:1 heptoferranide," in other words, a complex crystal made of the elements lithium, silicon, oxygen, and iron. (A silicate is a silicon-oxygen compound.)

Yes, a barely legible screen graphic in TNG: "Rascals" put dilithium on the periodic table, but that graphic was full of joke names like "Stoogeium," "Groucho," and "Exitstageleft," so it was never meant to be taken remotely literally, and Memory Alpha's choice to treat it as a canonical source is just plain stupid.
 
Trek dilithium is not an element, but a compound. The TNG Technical Manual identified "dilithium" as shorthand for "the forced-matrix formula 2<5>6 dilithium 2<:>1 diallosilicate 1:9:1 heptoferranide," in other words, a complex crystal made of the elements lithium, silicon, oxygen, and iron. (A silicate is a silicon-oxygen compound.)

Yes, a barely legible screen graphic in TNG: "Rascals" put dilithium on the periodic table, but that graphic was full of joke names like "Stoogeium," "Groucho," and "Exitstageleft," so it was never meant to be taken remotely literally, and Memory Alpha's choice to treat it as a canonical source is just plain stupid.
That actually makes A LOT more sense, Thanks for Clarifying that up.
That changes a few things (minor), but Thanks all the same!
 
Actually Dilithium exists.

Chemical formula: Li2

Under what conditions does it exist? In a vacuum with absolutely no water vapor(H2O)...

When you boil Lithium, just above the surface of the boiling Lithium, is Li2.

Now, because of Laser cooling, one ca freeze it into a crystal...so crystallized Li2, is possible. Which leaves us with the question: would it work???

It depends upon exactly what Dilithium does. Store Antimatter? Quite possibly. Align a matter/antimatter stream, in such a way that it would delay onset of the reaction? Possibly.

In other words the reaction can't occur inside the matter/antimatter reactor per se, but is delayed until it it produces the most intense reaction possible, for a given amount of matter/antimatter.

Now about that unicorn...

I expect to see the actual U. S. S. Enterprise, before I see an actual unicorn.

Why? Because while someone back in the 1990s produced a modified goat, with a single horn, it wasn't a true unicorn. Genetic engineering might be able to...
But that would only be someone's interpretation there of.
Li2 is a diatomic molecule you’ll see in hot lithium vapor and in ultracold molecule labs, it’s not the dilithium crystals in Star Trek. If you condense Li2, you don’t get a rock of stable Li2 molecules, you get metallic lithium.If you could trap Li2 in an optical lattice at microkelvin temps, it's not reactor material, it's still just molecules, not magic crystals and not that stable in solid form. So it can either condense into metallic lithium, or stay pretty much molecules, so not li2 in crystal form. Chemistry does not regulate antimatter. Matter/antimatter annihilation is a fundamental particle interaction. When particles overlap, annihilation should happen instantly. No crystal structure or molecule can delay it to make a regulated reaction. That's pure Trek fiction, again, not actual physics. Calling this dilithium as in Trek is like saying a goat with one horn is a unicorn.
 
I am aware that it is a diatomic molecule, so is oxygen at stp, Hydrogen...

And nanotechnology is quite promising. By imposing a set of artificial conditions, one can do the unusual. Keeping it stable, is another matter.
 
Chemistry does not regulate antimatter. Matter/antimatter annihilation is a fundamental particle interaction. When particles overlap, annihilation should happen instantly. No crystal structure or molecule can delay it to make a regulated reaction.

The explanation in the TNG Tech Manual is that when a dilithium diallosilicate heptoferranide crystal is placed in a powerful magnetic field, its lattice structure functions as a series of microscopic magnetic bottles that hold the antideuterons in the spaces between the crystal's atoms. Thus, the antideuterons pass through it without annihiliation. Yes, it's fiction, but it's fiction based on fact and thought through carefully enough to lend some plausibility to what was originally just a plot-convenient handwave.

Of course, the idea of dilithium regulating the annihilation reaction itself was an invention of TNG. In TOS, the stated role of lithium/dilithium was merely to channel or store energy. In "Mudd's Women," lithium crystals were part of the circuits channeling power to ship's systems. ("The entire ship's power is feeding through one lithium crystal.") In "The Alternative Factor," dilithium crystals were depicted as energy sources, but a deleted scene clarified that the apparatus Lazarus stole them from was a charging station, meaning that the crystals were basically batteries for storing the power generated by the main reactor. And later episodes like "Elaan of Troyius" reverted to the idea of dilithium as part of a power circuit. ("Captain, these are crude crystals. There is no way to judge what the unusual shapes will do to the energy flow.") In the movies, aside from a throwaway bit of background chatter in TMP, dilithium crystals are never even mentioned until The Voyage Home, and the writers of The Wrath of Khan depicted the engine as if it was a 20th-century fission reactor.
 
The explanation in the TNG Tech Manual is that when a dilithium diallosilicate heptoferranide crystal is placed in a powerful magnetic field, its lattice structure functions as a series of microscopic magnetic bottles that hold the antideuterons in the spaces between the crystal's atoms. Thus, the antideuterons pass through it without annihiliation. Yes, it's fiction, but it's fiction based on fact and thought through carefully enough to lend some plausibility to what was originally just a plot-convenient handwave.

Of course, the idea of dilithium regulating the annihilation reaction itself was an invention of TNG. In TOS, the stated role of lithium/dilithium was merely to channel or store energy. In "Mudd's Women," lithium crystals were part of the circuits channeling power to ship's systems. ("The entire ship's power is feeding through one lithium crystal.") In "The Alternative Factor," dilithium crystals were depicted as energy sources, but a deleted scene clarified that the apparatus Lazarus stole them from was a charging station, meaning that the crystals were basically batteries for storing the power generated by the main reactor. And later episodes like "Elaan of Troyius" reverted to the idea of dilithium as part of a power circuit. ("Captain, these are crude crystals. There is no way to judge what the unusual shapes will do to the energy flow.") In the movies, aside from a throwaway bit of background chatter in TMP, dilithium crystals are never even mentioned until The Voyage Home, and the writers of The Wrath of Khan depicted the engine as if it was a 20th-century fission reactor.
Basically, Dilithium Crystals wasn't consistently used or depicted until the TNG era thanks to the TNG Tech Manual.
 
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