Just watched "The Omega Glory"

[Alencar1990]

They could've made that a time travel story with the "alternative Earth" premise.
The story is not really terrible, but It just toys too much with my suspension of disbelief

Any thoughts?

 

[fireproof78]

One of my guilty pleasures. It has some great world building, if done too on the nose with other aspects.

But, we see Kirk's attitude towards history and other captains, we see the mad captain trope, and get some new powers for Spock.

It's pretty fun.

 

[Alencar1990]

One of my guilty pleasures. It has some great world building, if done too on the nose with other aspects.

But, we see Kirk's attitude towards history and other captains, we see the mad captain trope, and get some new powers for Spock.

It's pretty fun.

Yeah, I mean.. I'd fix some exaggerations here and there, but overall It's not as bad as I thought. Specially after a bunch of "godlike aliens take over the ship/crew for some egoistic goal" episodes

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, I mean.. I'd fix some exaggerations here and there, but overall It's not as bad as I thought. Specially after a bunch of "godlike aliens take over the ship/crew for some egoistic goal" episodes

Never underestimate the power of ego.

 

[Maurice]

It was written as a prospective 2nd pilot ergo it retains some weirdness from that, like Spock's "hypnotic" abilities that were more or less dropped as the series went into production (and written out of "Dagger of the Mind").

 

[Tallguy]

Love this episode. Unabashedly, for most of it's runtime. Reservedly (but gleefully) for it's "This doesn't make a lick of sense but I'm here for it!" resolution.

 

[Ssosmcin]

This episode gets a bad rap and I agree that the climax is def in your face, but overall, it's a fun episode. No less than four brawls (with no stunt doubles for Shatner, Woodward or Jensen - himself a stunt artist) or, a nifty jeopardy plot and some great performances, plus the bonus of seeing a sister starship (this always made me happy as a kid). And, not for anything. Shatner's passionate reading of the US Constitution, along with his "they must apply to everyone! Or they mean nothing!" is a timeless message that should speak to every human on this planet, no matter where you hail from.

Star Trek's best? Not particularly. Obvious? Definitely. Enjoyable? Absolutely.

 

[Ovation]

I loved it as a kid (was a flag-bearer in Cub Scouts during the Bicentennial 4th of July parade). Found it hokey by the time I hit high school. Now, I find it entertaining, with a dash of nostalgia for the time when I was that Cub Scout who wasn't yet aware the words and ideas of the document (and many others--American and otherwise) were more aspirational than descriptive of reality. It's not my favourite episode by any stretch, but there are more than a handful I find less appealing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Love Kirk's speech. The episode is a bit of mess, but fun.

 

[BillJ]

Easily in my top ten episodes. Though I like episodes with the weird "Twilight Zone"-like vibe.

 

[Spock's Barber]

It starts out okay, with the boys visiting the USS Exeter and encountering a mysterious, deadly epidemic. However, towards the climax it really slips and slides into another silly parallel planet episode. There are many other TOS episodes that I’d watch before this one.

 

[Alencar1990]

Hey folks! Just watched Bread and Circuses! Same issue: Not bad stories/allegories, but really needed more of an alien/scifi flavor to them, something stronger to suspend our disbelief. Or, If they really wanted to copy everything word by word, they should've just made them alternative timeline 'what if' stories.. Anyways, I'd love to see those concepts redone with our modern tech on TV shows

 

[johnnybear]

Omega like Bread are two episodes I really like. Captain Ronald Tracey was a great villain and seemed to have unlimited uniforms with him down on the planet. Plus a lot of attractive ladies down on the planet like Irene Kelley. Can't understand why she didn't do more films or TV as she was gorgeous.
JB

 

[Ssosmcin]

Hey folks! Just watched Bread and Circuses! Same issue: Not bad stories/allegories, but really needed more of an alien/scifi flavor to them, something stronger to suspend our disbelief. Or, If they really wanted to copy everything word by word, they should've just made them alternative timeline 'what if' stories.. Anyways, I'd love to see those concepts redone with our modern tech on TV shows

Now Bread and Circuses is one I love and consider a top class episode. Since the parallel Earth development was baked into the concept as an attractive pitch to save money, these stories were inevitable. But grouped together, they can lose punch and feel tiresome. The second season really had a lot of them (like 5 in the back half). But B&C was filmed much earlier than its airdate.

This is one of Roddenberry's better scripts with great snarky jabs at network TV production. The side characters are all well done and the climax is thrilling. Great cast all around.

I'm totally fine if newer Trek doesn't revisit these concepts, but to each their own. However, SNW's primary focus is to apparently re-do TOS concepts, so it'll probably happen anyway. Y'all can let me know.

 

[BillJ]

Hey folks! Just watched Bread and Circuses! Same issue: Not bad stories/allegories, but really needed more of an alien/scifi flavor to them, something stronger to suspend our disbelief. Or, If they really wanted to copy everything word by word, they should've just made them alternative timeline 'what if' stories.. Anyways, I'd love to see those concepts redone with our modern tech on TV shows

Hodgkin’s Law of Parallel Planetary Development. Whatever one thinks of it, it allowed TOS to be made. It gave them access to a wide array of cost effective story possibilities.

I wouldn’t change a thing about TOS. It is what it is, warts and all.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

It was written as a prospective 2nd pilot ergo it retains some weirdness from that, like Spock's "hypnotic" abilities that were more or less dropped as the series went into production (and written out of "Dagger of the Mind").

Yep, and another part of the weirdness was that when Roddenberry wrote Omega, very little had been established about the show's time period. He felt at liberty to assume that the show would be set in the distant future, allowing time for the Yangs and Combs to be living remnants of an ancient Earth colony.

It definitely fits with a Twilight Zone mindset, whose anthology format allowed pretty much any set of one-time assumptions.

 

[Tallguy]

I wouldn’t change a thing about TOS. It is what it is, warts and all.

I would have ended it with a different episode.

Yep, and another part of the weirdness was that when Roddenberry wrote Omega, very little had been established about the show's time period. He felt at liberty to assume that the show would be set in the distant future, allowing time for the Yangs and Combs to be living remnants of an ancient Earth colony.

I would love for TOS to have been set in the 30th century or something. I would also have been OK with never saying when TOS was set.

 

[fireproof78]

28th good enough?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Now Bread and Circuses is one I love and consider a top class episode. Since the parallel Earth development was baked into the concept as an attractive pitch to save money, these stories were inevitable. But grouped together, they can lose punch and feel tiresome. The second season really had a lot of them (like 5 in the back half). But B&C was filmed much earlier than its airdate.

This is one of Roddenberry's better scripts with great snarky jabs at network TV production. The side characters are all well done and the climax is thrilling. Great cast all around.

I'm totally fine if newer Trek doesn't revisit these concepts, but to each their own. However, SNW's primary focus is to apparently re-do TOS concepts, so it'll probably happen anyway. Y'all can let me know.

So far 100% parallel Earth free.

 

[Ssosmcin]

So far 100% parallel Earth free.

Still a few seasons left to get to it.