I enjoy and champion everything the franchise continues to do (save for Section 31), but I’m not going to pretend the stories are breaking ground. By and large, a lot of it these days are variations on a theme.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Pretty sure even what little in the "writer's bible" was ignored, as that made it clear that stardates existed so that we don't pinpoint when exacly Star Trek takes place in Earth's future. Come first season Space Seed, and we have talk about Khan ruling in the 1990s, being asleep for "two centuries" and having "two hundred years of catching up to do" and those lines have pretty much held back the Trek franchise for the past several decades as we passed the 1990s, passed the Bell Riots, etc.
Star Trek's calendar should've been a floating timeline from the start, with the calendar based around the founding of the Federation, with no Earth year assigned to said founding.
Star Trek's calendar should've been a floating timeline from the start, with the calendar based around the founding of the Federation, with no Earth year assigned to said founding.
If you want to see what matters to a series, watch how people respond when it's taken away.
They are breaking ground but people aren't listening to the stories so they have to be repeated. Picard Season 2 and Andor over at Star Wars for example are more socially relevant than ever before. The reason they aren't "breaking ground" and are repeat stories is only because society continues to commit the willful mistakes and cruelty depicted in said stories so the stories need to be retold repeatedly
Picard season 2 was a thoroughly badly-told story and doesn’t deserve to be put on the same shelf as Andor.
Exactly. Creating a new television show, even one building on an established franchise, requires adhering to a production deadline.
The above complaints about the TOS Bible being too shallow seem to presume modern tele shows do not operate under the same constraints. That's simply not reasonable to believe. It's all fiction and today's TV production still makes it up as it goes along. Such detailed writers Bibles would stifle creativity and definitely would not be available on time to produce a series. I'll go out on a pretty sturdy limb and postulate that 785ish page word doc with images has been compiled over years.
Plus, Roddenberry created TOS out of whole cloth, even if he drew inspiration from other sources. He wasn't building on an existing movie, book, or TV franchise.
Only because they literally had to set the story in 2024 to get the point across. Although I admit it aged badly as Rios staying makes no sense in either the Star Trek timeline(s) (WW3 just around the corner and possibly Eugenics Wars depending on if he's in the TOS or SNW version of the timeline) or the real world timeline (if Rios was mistaken as an illegal in 2024 I don't even want to know what would happen to him in 2025).
Pretty sure setting it in modern day was a concession due to Covid production limitations, not for any actual story reasons.
Remember that the entire season arc as originally conceived was scrapped because of the pandemic, and they rewrote the story.
Depends on how you use it and who's using it.
My Doc wouldn't stifle anything related to Characters & what stories they can tell.
It's designed to create a Coherent Trek World to operate your characters in based on EVERY previous Trek's In-Universe History & Technological Innovation.
That includes DISCO going to the 32nd century, yes I brought back some "Future Tech".
It wouldn't be the first time that "Future Tech" gets brought back.
Yes the Spore Drive is around, it will get used, but not abused.
There are "Plenty of Limitations" this time around.
Oh, of course, that couldn't be done over night, that took over a decade's worth of knowledge gathered up over time along with adjustments based on New Trek info that comes in.
DISCO really had to get me to do some analysis with the Spore Drive, but I found ways to make it work based on in-universe logic / reasoning.
It's not really as "Universe Breaking" as some people would lead you to believe.
It's "Very Powerful" if you have the right set of components, but it's not "All Powerful".
Not quite. One of the obvious problems is that the writers need to know more than a few things.
To put it another way, the five year mission of the Enterprise, would be planed out in detail. For the most part Not ad hoc.
The early star ship missions would be extremely regulated, do to the fact that this would be the only way to find them if something went wrong...which in the first fifty years is almost certainly a good bet. Steep learning curve. After fifty years the curve would be almost flat, spiking again with the breaking of the time barrier.
To put it another way, the five year mission of the Enterprise, would be planed out in detail. For the most part Not ad hoc.
The early star ship missions would be extremely regulated, do to the fact that this would be the only way to find them if something went wrong...which in the first fifty years is almost certainly a good bet. Steep learning curve. After fifty years the curve would be almost flat, spiking again with the breaking of the time barrier.
Prodigy confirmed the Federation consists of >150 member species, not planets, so Picard indeed talks about home worlds in FC. The 1st season of PIC also established thousands of species within their sphere of influence.
No. Earlier in the episode, the conversation goes likes this:
Kirk mentions the fed. and tells Cochrane they ("we") had barely begun to explore/ map the galaxy, obviously as being part of one unified polity (=federation). Maybe this even just pertains to UFP planets with humans. Hell, maybe Kirk does not even count all planets with some minor presence, the Vulcan P'Jem has a population of a whopping dozen monks before the spy operation gets started.
This brings me to the subject of proper sense of scale which, unfortunately, most writers of popular sci fi seem to lack. Realistically, considering the size of the UFP, the manufacturing capabilities, plus its population of at least two trillion in the 2250s, Starfleet should have hundreds of thousands or rather several million starships in service by the mid-23rd or 24th century. It should not be controversial, but there are people who seriously think that even the number of 7,000 vessels from Disco is excessive.
IRL, the US navy operates about 160 vessels if you only count destroyers, cruisers and submarines just to be a little conservative here. US population = 340 million Projected onto the UFP, there should be a minimum of ~ 940,000. The world's oceans are ofc a joke compared to space, while Starfleet is not only tasked with defence but also exploration, research, diplomacy etc.
In the "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" animes and novels, the total number of humans is only 40 billion, yet each of the two main factions field warships in the six-digit range. Granted it is set in a prolonged interstellar war, but still. One of the better examples of a franchise that is relatively mainstream I think
No. Earlier in the episode, the conversation goes likes this:
Kirk mentions the fed. and tells Cochrane they ("we") had barely begun to explore/ map the galaxy, obviously as being part of one unified polity (=federation). Maybe this even just pertains to UFP planets with humans. Hell, maybe Kirk does not even count all planets with some minor presence, the Vulcan P'Jem has a population of a whopping dozen monks before the spy operation gets started.
This brings me to the subject of proper sense of scale which, unfortunately, most writers of popular sci fi seem to lack. Realistically, considering the size of the UFP, the manufacturing capabilities, plus its population of at least two trillion in the 2250s, Starfleet should have hundreds of thousands or rather several million starships in service by the mid-23rd or 24th century. It should not be controversial, but there are people who seriously think that even the number of 7,000 vessels from Disco is excessive.
IRL, the US navy operates about 160 vessels if you only count destroyers, cruisers and submarines just to be a little conservative here. US population = 340 million Projected onto the UFP, there should be a minimum of ~ 940,000. The world's oceans are ofc a joke compared to space, while Starfleet is not only tasked with defence but also exploration, research, diplomacy etc.
In the "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" animes and novels, the total number of humans is only 40 billion, yet each of the two main factions field warships in the six-digit range. Granted it is set in a prolonged interstellar war, but still. One of the better examples of a franchise that is relatively mainstream I think
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Writers bibles always are. TNG's said the XO was Bill Riker and that he hated Data. DS9's talks about how ships have to vent their engines or something before they can enter the wormhole. Voyager's said the Doctor would decide on the name Doctor Zimmerman after his creator by the end of the first season. Enterprise's referred to the engineer as Spike Tucker and that T'Pol and Hoshi would develop a sisterly bond.
Well I do remember Bill Riker trying to get Data dismantled and pressing his off button in Measure of a Man
Only because he was forced to by the JAG officer, otherwise she would’ve summarily ruled against Data’s petition.
I was partially joking (note I kept the part where he was called Bill and even though he was called this in all of 1 episode almost no one calls Riker Bill)
I thought it was a couple. Not enough. First Bill in Star Trek. For a moment. Heck, Will Decker isn't even a William.
“The Naked Now” and “Haven” are the times I can recall him being called Bill.
Those were the only times.
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