That was not my main Interest in these films.
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I could have done with out Luke, Han and Leia.
The PT taught me not to expect anything from OT characters.
I was actually pretty happy with how the sequel trilogy handled the original trilogy characters, this was Rey, Poe, and Finn's trilogy and if they had spent too much more time with Han, Luke, and Leia, it would have distracted from their stories. The only change I would have made was to have Han or Luke survive into The Rise of Skywalker, just so they could avoid the awkwardness of using the old Leia footage, but obviously when they didn't know Carrie Fisher was going to die, so they couldn't have planned for that.
There's also Mon Mothma, and Bail Organa, and 3PO & R2, and Red Leader & Gold Leader, and Walrusman & his buddy, and Saw Gerrera, and General Dodonna, and Chopper.
Luke obviously should have survived past Episode 8. Trevorrow was right on that point at least.JD said:
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On this point I largely agree. I don't think Luke's death served the narrative very well, and perhaps could have been used to keep Kylo distracted and not as able to see all the resistance activities.
Kylo is an interesting character because he is a man obsessed with becoming a certain way but can never live up to this perceived ideal. Trying to chase down Luke would be a way to keep him off base as he tries to chase down power and ends up in Palpatine's trap.
Isn't that kind of what happened?
Kind of but not exactly. But, I just love Luke's taunting Kylo and would have enjoyed seeing it develop more. A small change, perhaps insignificant even, but one I would have enjoyed.
But, I'm also less enthused by Rise of Skywalker as I was before so I find even small changes appealing.
^ Yeah, it's such a shame Abrams and Terrio decided not to have Luke Skywalker continue to debase himself by taunting and mocking his only nephew, thus driving him ever further into the Dark Side, rather than plead with him to resist the late Snoke's influence, and atone for his wrongs. After all, Jedi are famous for their inclination to meditate, but what they really specialize in is trolling. Too bad Luke didn't have a communication satellite on Ach-To; he could have been heroically troll-tweeting at Kylo the whole time. 
^ Interesting point, but I ultimately can't agree in this particular case, because Kylo Ren is just too nothing of a character. TLJ told us Luke went to have a serious chat with Kylo about his drift to the Dark Side right before everything fell apart, but, apart from Han's line about there being "too much Vader in him," neither TFA nor TLJ gave any real hint as to what precipitated said drift in the first place. The answer always was there was never an answer; TRoS merely acknowledged this by shrugging and saying "It was Palps' long-distance mind contro all along, we guess."
So while it could certainly be interesting to see a character haunted by a Force Ghost, I don't think Kylo in Ep. 9 was the one to be it. And if one wanted to, I guess one could theorize that Force Ghost Luke helped to summon the spirit of Han for Kylo's vision of him in TRoS, and therefore did "see him around..." from a "certain point of view," of course.
So while it could certainly be interesting to see a character haunted by a Force Ghost, I don't think Kylo in Ep. 9 was the one to be it. And if one wanted to, I guess one could theorize that Force Ghost Luke helped to summon the spirit of Han for Kylo's vision of him in TRoS, and therefore did "see him around..." from a "certain point of view," of course.
It's right there in TFA dialogue.
I think one way it could have been utilizes is if Luke greets Kylo as he embraces the light again, and the follow up of the promise is one of "I knew you would be back," and following Vader's steps but not in the way Kylo expected, mirroring Obi-Wan and Yoda being with Anakin at the end of ROTJ.
^ Interesting point, but I ultimately can't agree in this particular case, because Kylo Ren is just too nothing of a character. TLJ told us Luke went to have a serious chat with Kylo about his drift to the Dark Side right before everything fell apart, but, apart from Han's line about there being "too much Vader in him," neither TFA nor TLJ gave any real hint as to what precipitated said drift in the first place. The answer always was there was never an answer; TRoS merely acknowledged this by shrugging and saying "It was Palps' long-distance mind contro all along, we guess."
So while it could certainly be interesting to see a character haunted by a Force Ghost, I don't think Kylo in Ep. 9 was the one to be it. And if one wanted to, I guess one could theorize that Force Ghost Luke helped to summon the spirit of Han for Kylo's vision of him in TRoS, and therefore did "see him around..." from a "certain point of view," of course.
It's been a while so my memory isn't supe clear, but I remember being perfectly fine with how the movies dealt with how Ben Solo fell to the Dark Side. I haven't read it, but if you need more details there is The Rise of Kylo Ren comic miniseries that covers his fall in more depth.
And I don't really see where we needed that much detail in the movies, all we really needed to know is that he was Han and Leia's son and he fell to the Dark Side and joined up with Snoke and the First Order.
There's a near-infinite number of good movies in the world; I'm not going to try to gaslight myself into liking two bad ones.
Nope. Both TFA and TLJ make the question of whether Ben's soul can be redeemed a major part of their stories and themes, so "he's bad because he turned bad" is not an adequate explanation even on a narrative level, let alone a character one. TRoS' explanation of "It was Palps' long-range hypnosis all along, we guess" was a lazy shrug of an explanation, but it at least passed the bare minimum of narrative sense.
