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I don't understand how a show can be the #2 show on it's service for the entire year and still be considered a failure.

Which part of my above post don't you understand?


Wouldn't that mean that more 99% of all of the shows on it are failures?

The Acolyte budget: $230m.
X-Men '97 budget: $20m... for roughly half of The Acolyte's total minute views. (And, for all we know, it attracted a lot more new subscribers than The Acolyte did - that crucial data doesn't appear on the chart.)

What part of this, if any, don't you understand? :p
 
I thought it was just guess work and wasn't sure how accurate it was.
Because of how much the show cost and how Disney gauges earning money off it via streaming.
Sounds like maybe they went a bit overboard on the budget then. I know it's Star Wars, but you'd think they'd want to give themselves a bigger margin of error for the show to be a success.
 
Sounds like maybe they went a bit overboard on the budget then. I know it's Star Wars, but you'd think they'd want to give themselves a bigger margin of error for the show to be a success.
Use to be but the desire for spectacle has impacted that margin.

Regardless, the proof will be in the production.
 
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"Yoda Cancels The Acolyte" from How It Should Have Ended, which I expect many have already seen, makes fun of the budget in a perfect and humorous way.

The joke lands so perfectly that I have to wonder whether there is a grain of truth (or more) to it. Did people involved in production have the attitude that Disney was just printing them money and delivering it by the truckload? Or, was it something else entirely?

Whatever the reason, I'd love to read the exposé (but only if it's factual).
 
Given how Hollywood accounting often works, there could be any explanation to what happened. I recall that the reason Star Trek the motion picture went so horrendously over budget is because it started off life as a television series called Star Trek phase 2 that had gone pretty far down in pre-production, including a bunch of scripts that the writers were paid for and design concepts that were never used for which the artists and costume designers were paid for, before the concept was changed into a movie. At the end of the day, however, Paramount dumped all the money spent on the aborted television show into the TMP budget, and then blamed Gene Roddenberry for the movie going over budget. I mean, I have no idea Gene would have spent if the project had been a movie right from the start ,maybe he would have got over budget anyway, but that never really seemed fair to me. Again, that's Hollywood accounting.
 
Yep, similar situation with Superman Returns, which actually did pretty decently at the box office. Unfortunately it absorbed the budget spent on a few other attempted Superman movies that ended up abandoned and as a result, Returns never had a hope of turning a real profit regardless of how much it pulled in at the box office.
 
Yep, similar situation with Superman Returns, which actually did pretty decently at the box office. Unfortunately it absorbed the budget spent on a few other attempted Superman movies that ended up abandoned and as a result, Returns never had a hope of turning a real profit regardless of how much it pulled in at the box office.
Superman Returns made $301 million at the box office with a budget of $223 million. That is, it did not even make a profit. Over time, it managed to make a profit through DVD and TV sales. But the box office was a fiasco.
 
Superman Returns made $301 million at the box office with a budget of $223 million. That is, it did not even make a profit. Over time, it managed to make a profit through DVD and TV sales. But the box office was a fiasco.
The point is that budget figure is inflated by including work on five or six prior attempts at a new Superman movie after The Quest for Peace. I can't find an estimate for how much just went into the production of Returns, but I did find a mention that $20 million of that money was paid to Nicholas Cage for (not) starring in Superman Lives.
 
^ While that sort of thing absolutely does happen, in most instances, a flop is probably just a flop.



... Also, I saw a Naboo Starfighter truck the other day. :p

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How The Acolyte ran up a total budget of $180 million I'll never grasp. That was not even close to $180 million worth of product on the screen, especially with all the recycled footage and flashbacks.
If you add up the runtime of the show you've got basically two full-length movies. So that would come out to 90 million per movie which sounds like a bargain in the present day.
 
If you add up the runtime of the show you've got basically two full-length movies. So that would come out to 90 million per movie which sounds like a bargain in the present day.
Maybe so, and you may well be right. But damn, it sure didn't feel like it.
 
A display at a European toy fair reveals a new(ish) 3.75" Vintage Collection Landspeeder, the upcoming Alec Guinness Obi-Wan figure, a new, properly-scaled (and shinier) C-3P0 and what may well be a new release of the Sandtrooper that uses the improved Stormtrooper body first released a couple of years ago.

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The Acolyte's budget has been reported at $230m. Not such a great deal for two theoretical movies without major stars (outside of Moss' glorified cameo, and even she's not a proven box-office draw).
 
Top 10 watched Disney+ shows in 2024. The Acolyte was number 2

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I don't understand how a show can be the #2 show on it's service for the entire year and still be considered a failure. Wouldn't that mean that more 99% of all of the shows on it are failures?

Return on investment.

"The Acolyte" had a budget of $230m. And that is without the marketing costs.

Disney+ has no original show in the 2024 TV Originals Top 10 chart.
The number one original show on Disney+ has 58% fewer watched minutes than the number ten show (a low-budget reality TV dating show) in the Top 10 chart.
Paramount+ has two shows in the Top 10 chart. Both are from Taylor Sheridan and the combined budget of those shows is less than the budget of "The Acolyte".

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All this talk about "Disney+ canceled their number two show" is meaningless. You have to talk about it in context.

Context:

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People think that Disney+ is this giant SVOD platform, but it's not (Granted, Disney also owns Hulu).

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A display at a European toy fair reveals a new(ish) 3.75" Vintage Collection Landspeeder, the upcoming Alec Guinness Obi-Wan figure, a new, properly-scaled (and shinier) C-3P0 and what may well be a new release of the Sandtrooper that uses the improved Stormtrooper body first released a couple of years ago.

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Looking forward to more Tatooine releases.
 
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