The movie isn’t getting bad reviews because there are no starships in it. It’s getting bad reviews because it is a bad movie.
Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion
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The movie isn’t getting bad reviews because there are no starships in it. It’s getting bad reviews because it is a bad movie.
Super Mario Bros (the animated one) is rotten on Rotten Tomatoes but the audiences loved it and Universal Pictures certainly isn't complaining about how much money it made. Critic reviews aren't everything.
So, it wasn’t great but…I didn’t actually think it was all that bad. It was a piece of reasonably entertaining fluff, livened by the fact I love Michelle Yeoh in anything.
It would definitely have benefited from the mini-series treatment, maybe three or four episodes to flesh things out. It felt highly compressed and nothing had space to breathe. Too many characters for such a limited runtime perhaps. I didn’t like the directing, but alas O.O. always seems to overdirect and rely on gimmickry.
But I’m not sure why the reviews are so brutal. The worst I can say is it feels rather generic and is overstuffed. I actually found the characters quite fun on the whole and wouldn’t have minded spending a little more time with them.
Not one I can see myself rewatching, but then I never have much desire to rewatch nuTrek. I’m gonna buck the trend and say it was…okay.
It would definitely have benefited from the mini-series treatment, maybe three or four episodes to flesh things out. It felt highly compressed and nothing had space to breathe. Too many characters for such a limited runtime perhaps. I didn’t like the directing, but alas O.O. always seems to overdirect and rely on gimmickry.
But I’m not sure why the reviews are so brutal. The worst I can say is it feels rather generic and is overstuffed. I actually found the characters quite fun on the whole and wouldn’t have minded spending a little more time with them.
Not one I can see myself rewatching, but then I never have much desire to rewatch nuTrek. I’m gonna buck the trend and say it was…okay.
Generic as in, the designs of ships, sets and outfits could have fitted into any other franchise or been an original IP without any changes at all.
The more I think about it, I feel bad for Bo Yeon Kim and Erika Lippoldt.
They left Discovery to write, create, and run the original iteration of Section 31, only for the pandemic to shitcan the series after nearly completing the scripts for season 1 and gotten started on developing future seasons. And then to see their creation be turned into this shallow and boring creature? Eeeesh. I know the industry has done this and worse to other writers, but it sucks all the same.
They left Discovery to write, create, and run the original iteration of Section 31, only for the pandemic to shitcan the series after nearly completing the scripts for season 1 and gotten started on developing future seasons. And then to see their creation be turned into this shallow and boring creature? Eeeesh. I know the industry has done this and worse to other writers, but it sucks all the same.
This seems like a massive over reaction, I can't imagine they're going to get rid of Kurtzman just because this isn't getting great reviews. I've been under the impression that everything else that's come out since during his time in charge has been at least relatively successful, I mean they keep ordering more shows, so they obviously must be pretty happy with how things have been performing so far.
I give the writer(s) credit for not making Alok one of Khan's followers at least.
Apart from Valeris, Saavik and maybe some kids from And the Children Shall Lead, I don't think anyone involved with TOS is up for more than a cameo.
So like a JJ Abrams film.
It didn't actually say the wars were in the 20th century, just that Alok was born then. Assuming the wars took place at earliest in 2232 (enough time for kid Khan from SNW to be a young adult/late teen and take over the world) Alok would be 33 if he were born in 1999. Assuming in the new timeline Khan left in 2236, Alok would be 37 if he was asleep with Khan's people and woke up in 2267 in Space Seed and stranded the same year.
By 2285 Alok would be 55, maybe split with Khan's group offscreen and got rescued by Starfleet after ST2 with the rest of the Reliant crew. 39 years later in 2324 when S31 takes place, he would be 94, but looks younger because he's an Augment.
[POPS CORN AND HANDS OUT COLD DRINKS]
Well it's supposed to be in the 20th century ..
....I guess that is one thing the movie got right considering all the bad reviews. I'm scared to watch it now ..
Not even close.
Madred: What are the Federation's defence plans for Minos Korva?
Picard: There are FOUR LIGHTS!!!
Madred: Ok, no more Mister Nice Cardassian. Show Picard the Section 31 documentary!
Picard: No! Anything but that! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Garak: I thought I was a hardened torturer but even I would never...
Picard: AAARRGGHHHH!!!!!
Madred: Now Picard why don't we have you rewatch the scenes about--
Picard: Minos Korva has a shield modulation of 257.6. They're protected by an old style Xindi superweapon that can be deactivated with the code Archer four eight beta five. The largest cities for orbital bombardment are on the northwest corner of the southern continent. And yes, your room had FIVE LIGHTS! Turn the video off, please!!!!
Madred:
Picard: There are FOUR LIGHTS!!!
Madred: Ok, no more Mister Nice Cardassian. Show Picard the Section 31 documentary!
Picard: No! Anything but that! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Garak: I thought I was a hardened torturer but even I would never...
Picard: AAARRGGHHHH!!!!!
Madred: Now Picard why don't we have you rewatch the scenes about--
Picard: Minos Korva has a shield modulation of 257.6. They're protected by an old style Xindi superweapon that can be deactivated with the code Archer four eight beta five. The largest cities for orbital bombardment are on the northwest corner of the southern continent. And yes, your room had FIVE LIGHTS! Turn the video off, please!!!!
Madred:
That’s probably part of the reason I didn’t mind it so much. Emperor Georgiou becoming a regular was the worst idea anyone ever had for Star Trek, so minimizing her role endeared me to S31 considerably. If only they swapped it out so the boring leader guy died to prove the situation was serious and the Deltan lady lived.
Memory Alpha says the events of the movie take place in 2324, twenty years before Garrett's death aboard the Enterprise-C. Take that for what you will. The movie sure didn't bother to tell us a precise time frame.
She had a long time in service as a captain once she proved her mettle.
Alex Kurtzman isn't going anywhere despite what "people" say. And I'm fine with that.
Apparently whoever wrote that just entered the stardate given into the first webpage google result for stardate calculator and got 2324 returned (I tried it and I got April 17, 2324). To my knowledge the Earth year is never given in the movie, and there are no official "stardate calculators" so this dating is entirely based off of entering the stardate into a fan stardate calculator, which the Memory Alpha entry writer must have used.
