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Which is your best Trek film and why?

'The Wrath of Khan' despite TNG being my fave. It just has everything. Great acting (even the Shat though you can argue this one). It was very dark. Never seen Trek so dark. And it also made me cry. Trek never did that. Then Kahn himself - awesome villain. It's just a masterpiece. ST's 'Empire Strikes Back; IMHO. :cool:
 
My personal favorite is The Undiscovered Country, because we get to see multiple ships working together, as well as multiple facets of the Federation, diplomatic and military. The plot is more believable as it addresses political corruption and ambition, and how people are willing to manipulate the galactic stage to attain their goals.
 
My personal favorite is The Undiscovered Country, because we get to see multiple ships working together, as well as multiple facets of the Federation, diplomatic and military. The plot is more believable as it addresses political corruption and ambition, and how people are willing to manipulate the galactic stage to attain their goals.
It was also briefly wonderful to have Scotty end the menace in a theatrical TREK......like he seemed to accomplish every other week on TV.:cool:
 
STNG and others mention many times that Federation and Klingons used to be enemies.
The one with peace between those powers is a nice prequel for what came afterwards.
Confession: I haven't watched any Star Trek movies in ages.
So, this post is based on assumption they actually made peace, I think they did. =)
 
TMP. It’s just the most cinematic thing Trek ever did by several light years. I appreciate it more the older I get, just as something you can put on and allow to wash over you, immersing yourself in the visual and musical experience. It’s the closest the Trek films get to hard sci-fi.

TWOK is great as well, of course, but it sadly set the formula for Trek films somehow being little more than revenge thrillers, a problem that somehow only worsened through the TNG and Kelvin eras.
 
Years ago, three decades or so ago I remember TMP giving some interesting feelings with the world it had going on.
At that time I don't think I knew exactly what Star Trek was but the movie was kind of interesting.
 
tmp, but it's more asimov than trek like an asimov story borrowing starfleet personnel (kirk doesn't even get a girl)

as of the 'real trek' movies i'm with the twok/tsfs/tvh crowd. for tng movies it's certainly fc and i don't care all that much for the kelvin timeline
 
Of the films based on the original series, my two faves are The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country. As for the movies with the cast of TNG, I'd say my faves are Generations and Insurrection. First Contact is very well done, but I always preferred the more personal side of the franchise.
 
How does one define best made anyways?

TMP was the most cinematic.

TWOK has the drama, action, stakes and a memorable antagonist.

TSFS also had the drama, the action, stakes and memorable antagonist. It just reversed the ending of TWOK and traded losses (Spock for the Enterprise and David Marcus).

ST’09 had the action and mass appeal.

And ID was a massive box office draw.

But even The Final Frontier has a case for being the best made, because it’s the sole film where the TOS cast starts off on the Enterprise together. And it’s lack of vengeful antagonists and largely being an adventure movie adds to its legacy and validates its existence.
 
Star Trek (2009). It was everything I ever wanted in a Trek movie, since 1989 Batman introduced me to the concept of reboots. Great characters on an epic adventure.

Shame they're not still making those movies, I'd have been very happy with a new one every 3 years.
 
It really depends on the mood. I didn't much care for TMP when it first came out but over the years it has evolved into being my favorite. TWOK and TUC are up there, and I'm one of those weirdos that thinks Generations is the best TNG film, plot holes and all.
 
Tough call, but I'll go with VI.

But first, some meandering thoughts on the runners-up as it all ties in:

II does return to a TV episode as plot inspiration, all while universe-building, looking into the philosophy of aging, and returning to a character deemed popular by fans -- let's face it, Khan's backstory is cool and Ricardo Montalban never less than magnetic in screen presence, but VI manages to create a new character that's just as magnetic, but isn't resorting the usual trope of "revenge against the protagonist". Let's face it, Khan's a bore once he'd be done with Kirk. Chang is conspiring, ironically with the enemy, to cause massive interstellar conflict all while the Romulan on display watches and giggles - which begs even more thought-chasing, and if Chang had won... oh, Chang (as well as Gorkon) also got a lot of goodies in the PC video game "Klingon Academy" and it sure was fun playing a Klingon to zappy-zap all the Federation ships with. Did Khan get a video game where you're helping him hijack ships to get at secret scientific experiments but only as desire to use them as weapons, forgetting that his superior brain might find said scientific goodies intriguing? Or even to take it and go build a garden somewhere to retire on, the way he was hoping to do after "Space Seed". Oh well.

III effortlessly continues what II started, complete with bringing Spock back from the dead and some interesting discussions about that along the way. A shame that Kirk's superior isn't Admiral Cartwright. The philosophical elements still rule the roost, as is the lengths Kirk goes to in order to try to save his friend as well as offering to help the Klingon Commander who just tried to kill him earlier, because - if for no other reason - the Commander was operating under a misunderstanding and not legitimate fear (never mind Kruge sorta murdered his kid as means to extort information, so this scene is BIG and for so many reasons.) This is another reason why I loathe IV outside of the courtroom scenes that helped ensure the trope would not be discarded, as it otherwise bypassed a shrewd and complex, multilayered and intelligent continuing arc that the 80s movies were in their stride with, in favor of a (now badly dated) comedy routine and some farting whales. Again, VI takes what II and II started and culminates in a gripping and tense movie. Maybe that's why I adore DS9 so much, with its arc of intrigue intertwining. DS9 took the style of the Kirk movies and took them to the next level. Even "For The Uniform" outdoes the tension and nautical flair of TWOK, which is not a simple task as TWOK is so eminently rewatchable.

Granted, VI relies on said arc of intrigue rather than conjuring something new out of thin air. But taking established characters, in the 23rd century, and doing something so unexpected. Yes, even enlightened 23rd century humans who came together still now have to practice the same thing with other species, who don't always feel the same way. The struggle never ends being another of the film's ideas it's playing with.

The best part is, there was no multi-year arc. This wasn't Babylon 5. Each new movie depended on the success of the then-current one, and the sequels were made on the fly. In ways, you'd think there was a plan. There wasn't. The plot elements were just there, waiting. The stories pretty much wrote themselves. At least for III onward; the drafts for TWOK were definitely variable and hasty ad hoc rewrites were needed thanks to leaks involving Spock's death. How much of it still ties in so well is something of a testament, when all is said and considered.
 
For me it's TWOK. I was 14 when it came out, and I had seen each episode multiple times, and was a huge fan. I was left disappointed and confused by what happened in TMP (hey I was only 11 when that came out), and TWOK gave me everything I could have imagined from a Trek movie and more: action, space battles, cool uniforms, sadness, a little humor, and Kahn.
As soon as it ended, my friend and I bought tickets to the next showing.

To date, it's still the one Trek movie that I can continue to watch and not get bored.
 
The only truly abysmal STAR TREK movies are NEMESIS and INTO DARKNESS. '09 was terrible, but at least it had a great beginning and it DID reignite interest in the franchise again. Those are the only two reasons I will elevate it above the others I mentioned.

For all of the rest, they are either decent with very good elements (TFF, GENERATIONS, INSURRECTION), good with some flaws (TMP, BEYOND), really really good (TSFS, TVH, TUC), or excellent (TWOK, FIRST CONTACT).


For best film in the franchise, I have to go with THE WRATH OF KHAN. There's a reason why people keep attempting to replicate it or aspects of it... it's a damn near flawless movie.

Great plot, great villain, great character beats from everyone, great themes. And as mentioned, it brought in new audiences and helped create the next generation (no pun inten... well, somewhat intended) of STAR TREK fans.

So many memorable and iconic scenes... from Kirk's "Khan!" scream to Khan saying "explain it to them" to Kirk and Spock talking about the 'needs of the many' to Spock's death to the funeral. And it has one of my absolute favorite lines in the entire franchise... a line that becomes more important to me as time goes on.

"He's not really dead. As long as we remember him."

(It gets harder and harder to not shed a few single man tears after McCoy says that because my grandfather looked A LOT like Spock, particularly from TMP onward. There have times when I almost feel like he's directly telling me and reminding me of this as I'm watching. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it happens.)


TWOK had everything you could ask for in a movie and more. Damn near flawless... I doubt we'll get another that matches it.
 
I think my top Trek movie is First Contact. Picard's scene in the observation lounge with Lilly is worth the price of admission alone.

I honestly don't get the Khan love, save nostalgia.
The whole movie only moves forward when supposedly smart people do really really dumb things, with Khan, who everyone claims is brilliant, probably the dumbest of them all. With the thinnest motivation of "revenge" directed towards someone who actually helped Khan out by giving Khan the choice to live on the planet, hardships and all. But, as I said, Khan's not the brightest tool in the shed.

And the Khan scream loses its power on repeat viewings when you know that Kirk's just acting angry to get rid of the big dummy so that Spock can beam them up.

Though the acting from the main cast is top notch, probably never better.
 
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