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Re-evaluating season seven

AntonyF

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I've watched TNG many many times over the years since 1987... and now older, wiser, more cynical I view everything a bit differently.

I don't think season seven has ever been viewed with critical acclaim. But this is the first time I'm watching it and finding it a bit... crap.

It seems to have become very insular. Michael Piller pivoted TNG to having the characters at the core of the story. But that seems to have become mutated into almost being entirely about the characters and not much else going on.

Most episodes feel like they have no sense of opinion. What are you trying to say? Well not much it seems.

I'm also acutely aware of the budget restraints too. It's become a game seeing how they can re-use the same few sets. And if they have three extras well that's a big spend day for TNG. This is the first time since I bought the VHS tapes back in the 1990s that I'm rewatching DS9 and TNG in line with original air dates. And it's really apparent to me that's where they writers were enjoying themselves. That they can begin to tell the stories they were trying to on TNG but were constrained by its format.

And the budget alone, the promenade is FULL of people - many in makeup. The costs must have been so much more, but it makes the place feel ALIVE and not just the same few sets on rotation.

I'm curious to how other people find season 7. And if your views have changed over time.

Oh and I would like to add I hope it's clear I'm not trashing season 7, it's still better than some so-called Star Treks can manage. But I just find it not as good as it was.
 
I love Season 7 and I always have. It has a special place in my heart because it's when I properly started watching Trek. I don't know if I can be objective on it. Maybe in two years when my rewatch gets there I'll think differently. But I've watched "Parallels" and "The Pegasus" since then and they still hold up. Major Grin kinda ruined parts of "Phantasms" for me because I can't think of the scene of Data stabbing Troi without bursting into laughter now. In his edits everytime someone embarrassed Data he'd cut to that scene.
 
I remember, in 1994, watching "Gambit" with friends and acquaintances. An episode trying to shake up the formula was surprisingly tepid. One acquaintance had said "Here we go!" when the artifact scanner thingy was about to be activated... what was the redeeming special effect? A forty-watt light bulb pulsating on and off then on again. Yep, we were all disappointed. I recall him saying that, even though the early seasons could be corny, they had more interesting ideas and action...

Not to mention the incidental music - seasons 5 and 6 already changed things for the worse, but season 7 often felt even more templated and cookie cutter, usurping any tension from the scenes it was in.

Also remember, when making big super-glooper weapons, always engrave iconography onto it that shows how to defeat it. The Riddler, Joker, Penguin, and Catwoman would be proud - if this were an episode of Batman66.

And that's just elements of one story, one I've not seen since the blu-ray release.

The better episodes I have rewatched since and still adore or like:

  • Liaisons
  • Interface
  • Phantasms (I've yet to look up Major Grin's video with that episode @somebuddyX, but now I'm scared to... or partially scared, there's some good comedic stuff from that channel from time to time...)
  • Parallels
  • The Pegasus
  • Thine Own Self
  • Masks
  • Genesis
  • All Good Things


But the rest? I might rewatch a clip, but have no desire to sit through them. By then it was also certain how DS9 was getting the A-material and love. Even the music over there was starting to improve. In short, TNG finally became... Jan Brady. But I digress.
 
It's a foregone conclusion that S7 was a show in decline. If I'm being honest, the signs of that started in S6. It's been derided as such plenty. It's clear the creative team had reached an exhaustion saturation point.

However, I still think from a production quality standpoint it just slightly surpasses S1 at the bottom of my ranking of seasons. The handful of its good episodes make it that much better. Pegasus, Parallels, Lower Decks & Preemptive Strike are all top notch IMHO, as is the finale.

Some of their mediocre episodes aren't that bad either, like Gambit, Phantasms, Dark Page, Attached... and even a few lesser ones are still watchable, e.g. Emergence, Bloodlines, Genesis, Liaisons. I'm still able to enjoy most of the season, despite some stinkers lol

But overall, the criticism is fair, of the season on the whole
 
I wonder if I was being a bit down on it...

I just put int he new disc and the episodes are Lower Decks, Thine Own Self, Masks, Eye of the Beholder and Genesis. I love all of them, yes even Masks.

I forgot Gambit was season 7 despite just watching it... that was definitely the writers trying to push the envelope of TNG.
 
Season 7 is one of those seasons that I didn't realize it but most of the episodes I like came from it, from Masks, to Lower Decks, Pegasus, Masks, and All Good Things. The Gambit I enjoy as well, for the most part. Some of the smuggler crew are annoying.
 
I think my disappointment with Season 7 has grown with time. I could be wrong, but I've often suspected the best story ideas got reserved for Voyager so it could have a strong launch with TNG ending up with whatever was left over.

Gambit was pretty decent but nothing special. I actually liked Attached for trying to progress the Picard/Crusher relationship even though it hits the reset at the end. Parallels and the Pegasus are excellent and I like Lower Decks and Genesis. All Good Things is probably the best Trek finale, even now.

It's not so much that there aren't some good episodes, it's just there are a lot of ones I just really don't like or think are terrible like Dark Page, Emergence, First Born, Journey's End, Eye of the Beholder, Masks, Thine Own Self, Homeward, Inheritance and of course Sub Rosa! Plus, I find the Worf/Troi romance particularly pointless. I don't know if the writers did it because Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn were good friends but it was a real GNDN moment, especially with what happened in the movies and Worf on DS9 (but in fairness the writers couldn't know about that).
 
I think my disappointment with Season 7 has grown with time. I could be wrong, but I've often suspected the best story ideas got reserved for Voyager so it could have a strong launch with TNG ending up with whatever was left over.

Great point! VOY season 1 always felt like strong creative sci-fi, but not really Trek. Especially with new characters and didn't care for some of the ideas brought up beyond a certain point. But if TNG7 got those ideas and VOY1 had TNG's leftovers, VOY would never have gotten a second season, never mind fourth when it got really good.

I'm bouncing between TNG seasons 5 and 1 for rewatches of random episode. 7 might be next... All I know is, 5's haven't aged well. For me anyway - YMMV...
 
I could be wrong, but I've often suspected the best story ideas got reserved for Voyager
They hadn't even finished writing the pilot to Voyager when TNG went off the air. Even the VOY series bible was only really finalized about the same time that the script to All Good Things was filming.

Besides, if "the good stuff" was reserved for Voyager, we wouldn't have gotten middling crap like Ex Post Facto and Heroes and Demons. ;)
 
Some say that STNG was running out of steam and out of ideas by season 7 but every season has weak episodes.
Also, this season gave us pretty much perfect final episode.

Almost. Some mental hopscotch* is still needed as the Pasteur creates the third tachyon field, not the future-Enterprise. The third signature can't be identical as another ship's components would not be identical (relative power output in that class starship, halflife of elements, etc, etc) , yet they're certain that future-Enterprise did it. Nope, but enough headcanon makes it work because the story is so cool and largely hangs together tautly. :luvlove:

* Yup! :D
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(that also doubles as yet another ode to my ex, but before I digress...)
 
Some mental hopscotch* is still needed as the Pasteur creates the third tachyon field, not the future-Enterprise.

I remember reading an intreview with Ronald D. Moore where he said that the episode was already on the air when it was noticed that one of the pulses didn't originate from the Enterprise.
It was brough to their attention by Rick Berman's then ten year old son. =)
 
Yeah, Season 7 is right down there with 1 in my opinion. There are a few fun episodes, but it's mostly pretty weak. You can tell the actors are wearing a bit then and the writers are running out of interesting ideas. In fact TNG has a pretty even bell curve, 1=7, 2=6, 3=5, and 4 is the tops. IMHO.

--Alex
 
TNG Season 7 has an oversized share of duds, which I needn't go into further here. BUT...

Lower Decks is still the one and only piece of Trek that has made me cry real tears. Shannon Fill is so earnest, so full of promise, so hopeful, and so relatable as Sito Jaxa. Plus I'm always a sucker for a good character redemption and second chances storyline. When Picard has to make that proclamation that she was blinked out when she'd overcome so much and should have been starting out in her life and career is just...yeah. I'm not a big crier but that one gets me right in the gut every time. So I can't be a blanket hater on Season 7...even if it does include Sub Rosa. :rolleyes:
 
Liaisons…

Watched Liaisons the other day and was surprised to see all the ‘aliens don’t understand certain universal concepts’ shit dragged out.

An alien race who doesn’t understand:

A) Love
R) Antagonism
E) Pleasure

Fucking dogs understand these concepts. In fact, anything above a certain level of sentience in the animal kingdom does.

The icing on the cake coming when Picard says what they did is a crime, only for the alien of the week to look blankly and exclaim ‘crime?’ as a further concept he doesn’t understand.

FFS.

The cherry on top of the icing is Picard having a good old laugh about it at the end. A ‘refreshing’ approach to diplomacy.

So kidnapping a person, then applying a pain inducing machine to the side of their body, then using some kind of hologram tech to lie about your gender so you can try to sexually assault the person you’ve kidnapped…

This is ‘refreshing’?

Fuck me. What an episode.

The stuff on the Enterprise itself is just as bad. I just don’t believe that any species could evolve to a level of advanced sentience without an understanding of pleasure, fighting or love. I have two 4 month old kittens who understand these concepts.

Lame, patronising, cliched, dumb bullshit.
 
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