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Spoilers Rogue grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Rogue?


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The Nth Doctor

Wanderer in the Fourth Dimension
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The Doctor and Ruby land in 1813, where guests at a duchess’s party are being murdered and a mysterious bounty hunter called Rogue is about to change the Doctor’s life forever.

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Some people are calling this the "Bridgerton episode" as if there's never been a period piece, so I'm going to call this the "Jane Austen episode" out of spite. :p

Either way, I'm looking forward to the humanoid avian shenanigans.
 
Some people are calling this the "Bridgerton episode" as if there's never been a period piece,
To be fair, the trailers do show Ruby making a Bridgerton reference, which is likely fueling that. I know I'm getting a kick seeing people's reactions when I describe this episode as "Bridgerton with alien bird people.'

Okay, I haven't actually said that to anyone in the real world. But it's a line I so want to use.
 
I know they probably won't even reference it, but the bird people are giving me flashbacks of Peri in Vengeance on Varos, where a bad guy tries to turn her into a bird person.
 
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The bird people remind me alot of the Cactus(That's racist!) aliens from "The End of Time"
 
Some people are calling this the "Bridgerton episode" as if there's never been a period piece, so I'm going to call this the "Jane Austen episode" out of spite. :p

To be fair, the trailers do show Ruby making a Bridgerton reference, which is likely fueling that. I know I'm getting a kick seeing people's reactions when I describe this episode as "Bridgerton with alien bird people.'

My wife and I watched a lot of the more popular costume dramas of the last few decades, including plenty of Austen, and... well, the big Pride and Prejudice miniseries with Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth, which was both popular and influential, is about ten years older than Millie Gibson (and Ruby, if she's supposed to be the same age). Even the Keira Knightley P&P movie came out while Millie was in diapers. She was 2 or 3 when Billie Piper starred in the ITV Jane Austen Season version of Mansfield Park. Bridgerton is very likely the most famous Regency era thing in current pop culture. It seems to get a lot more buzz than Sanditon or the most recent take on Emma did. And of course there's also Bridgerton's racially diverse cast. So it's the obvious point of comparison right now.
 
My wife and I watched a lot of the more popular costume dramas of the last few decades, including plenty of Austen, and... well, the big Pride and Prejudice miniseries with Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth, which was both popular and influential, is about ten years older than Millie Gibson (and Ruby, if she's supposed to be the same age). Even the Keira Knightley P&P movie came out while Millie was in diapers. She was 2 or 3 when Billie Piper starred in the ITV Jane Austen Season version of Mansfield Park. Bridgerton is very likely the most famous Regency era thing in current pop culture. It seems to get a lot more buzz than Sanditon or the most recent take on Emma did. And of course there's also Bridgerton's racially diverse cast. So it's the obvious point of comparison right now.
Oh, I know, I know.

That situation just makes me feel old. :lol:
 
Review for this week's episode says it's a bit like a 2006 episode and wouldn't be out of place for Tennant and Piper. Also 'don't think too hard' about the ending.

Also says there's a 'blink and miss revelation' that'll infuriate Gallifrey Base.

https://www.vg247.com/doctor-who-rogue-review

Yes, I think this episode is a real statement of intent. It seems designed to remind you of why you fell in love with this amazing, dorky, daft as hell show in the first place. Following some real off-piste stuff in recent weeks, perhaps some of the most leftfield Who has ever been, Rogue returns revival-era Doctor Who to its most comfortable, default setup, rather like the reset buttons that Russell is so fond of. A classic historical with alien baddies, rammed to the brim with familiar elements and callbacks to eras past. And a soft blink-and-you’ll-miss-it revelation which will have keyboards clacking furiously over on Gallifrey Base for years to come.




SPOILER!

Ladies and Gentlemen
Richard E Grant is canon



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Review for this week's episode says it's a bit like a 2006 episode and wouldn't be out of place for Tennant and Piper. Also 'don't think too hard' about the ending.

Also says there's a 'blink and miss revelation' that'll infuriate Gallifrey Base.

https://www.vg247.com/doctor-who-rogue-review






SPOILER!

Ladies and Gentlemen
Richard E Grant is canon



wN4nSeq.jpg

Came to see if it was just me
 
There was no particular order to the hologramp presenation of Doctors, so plenty wiggle room there.

Anyway...

I am not quite sure what to think of the episode. The plot was ok, the baddies very much one-off, goofy Doctor Who villains. Ruby did companion things, the Doctor was very much the Doctor, except.... I still have a hard time getting my head around him being so non-asexual. he's been like that this whole incarnation, but so far not as overt as here.
This is the trait that most definitely will make him not my Doctor.
We'll see if this is a defining attribute of this incarnation or if this sticks for the future.
 
Damn, I really enjoyed this episode, it was just so fun! The constant Bridgerton references somehow avoided getting old, Rogue was a cool character and I quite liked how his relationship with the Doctor developed over the course of the episode. I even enjoyed Ruby's friendship with Emily, even if it was obvious Emily was one of the Bird People. I think this might well be my favorite of the season, a great episode all around.
 
Richard E Grant is canon



wN4nSeq.jpg

Absolutely perfect, no notes, just throw in something that absolutely makes hash of any conception of the Doctor's history. Reasonable theories are no longer possible, we're now free from the tyranny of reason and logic. I know it sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but I genuinely think this is the best way forward from the Chibnall Master Plan. Just go full Duck Amok with the Doctor's backstory, you can't just make it esoteric and baroque with mind-wipes and secret pasts that implies there's a rational direct answer that's being kept from us, that's just frustrating the audience by turning everything before into a bait-and-switch, you have to make it impossible for it to make sense at all. No, the real thing that got made canon in this episode is the TARDIS wiki policy of just throwing everything in no matter how little it hangs together with an "according to one account" handwave, and letting the reader figure it out.
 
Apparently there was a cover of the song 'Bad Guy' as well. I didn't recognize it, as I've never heard it before, I think.
Comments on reddit say Bad Guy also played in Bridgerton, which I've never watched.
 
I do know the song, but I didn't catch "Bad Guy" (though I did recognize "Poker Face"). Taking a second look, it's about six minutes in, during the scene where the Doctor and Rogue first talk on the balcony. It is mixed down a bit in the soundtrack, but once you're listening for it, you can't miss the bass line.
 
And how ironic is it that the episode that feels most like Russell's first time round was the only one in the series written by someone new.
 
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