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This could be interesting. What are the chances if actually gets done?
I'm waiting on my bookie for the odds.
Last time they announced Star Trek 4 and it's release date, the actors had no idea until they read it online and a few were locked into projects and could never have appeared. In other words, it was a fake announcement to hype potential investors.
That may have completely and utterly killed my faith in Paramount. I'll believe the film when it's out. Not even when it's filming, since we live in the era of stuff being filmed and then eternally buried as a tax break.
I hate to see what Zaslav will do with Star Trek if he gets his grubby little paws on it.
Shelve it.
Oh no...
Oh no...
what I don't get is why the Kelvinverse gets so much damn hate and is treated like the ugly stepchild. the Kelvinverse is ripe for the picking for more stories to be told that don't have to be about the Enterprise crew. (I mean if you can't get the core six back then start doing individual stories post the five-year mission ala the MCU stories.)
- Kirk could have his own adventures ala Captain America: The Winter Soldier working for Starfleet Ops while he figures out whether or not he wants to stay on as Enterprise-A commander or if he wants to move on. (Be a good place to bring back Alice Eve as Carol Marcus, Reintroduce us to Jennifer Morrison's Winona Kirk and Finally gives Alt George Samuel Kirk.)
- Spock and Uhura could have finally gotten their act together and gotten married and have their own adventures.
- Time Jump and Have John Cho's Sulu begin his career as Captain of the Excelsior and follow them.
- Scotty and Keenser could've stayed aboard the Enterprise-A to refit her or serve under a Captain Decker-type captain.
- Follow an Original crew akin to the cerritos that has to deal with cleaning up Admiral Marcus' mess after Into Darkness. The galaxy is endless. Not everything needs to be in the "prime universe".
- Kirk could have his own adventures ala Captain America: The Winter Soldier working for Starfleet Ops while he figures out whether or not he wants to stay on as Enterprise-A commander or if he wants to move on. (Be a good place to bring back Alice Eve as Carol Marcus, Reintroduce us to Jennifer Morrison's Winona Kirk and Finally gives Alt George Samuel Kirk.)
- Spock and Uhura could have finally gotten their act together and gotten married and have their own adventures.
- Time Jump and Have John Cho's Sulu begin his career as Captain of the Excelsior and follow them.
- Scotty and Keenser could've stayed aboard the Enterprise-A to refit her or serve under a Captain Decker-type captain.
- Follow an Original crew akin to the cerritos that has to deal with cleaning up Admiral Marcus' mess after Into Darkness. The galaxy is endless. Not everything needs to be in the "prime universe".
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I agree not everything needs to be prime and I would personally enjoy several of those possibilities, but an MCU inspired approach will never have the studio's confidence. The kelvin films (trek films in general really) have never been successful enough to support multiple ongoing series simultaneously. And taking a broad, world-building first approach when you only have one series to work with is always going to make things feel smaller rather than bigger as the audience will latch onto how many characters they expected to be present but aren't.
A future kelvinverse needs a clear majority of the cast to return or else an entirely new crew with at most a Pine/Quinto cameo. Maybe Sulu on the Excelsior would come close enough to be workable, but that's probably wishful thinking on my part as I'd love see Cho's Sulu in a lead role.
I think Cho leading a film as CO of his own ship would be very viable, and continuing his character arc.
I saw new posts and thought someone had reports of them building sets for the new movie! 
With Cho, it would have to be very mid-budget.
With Cho, it would have to be very mid-budget.
Sounds good to me. I see a lot that could be done.
While there have been multiple script ideas put forth and some came close to filming, ST4 in similar form has always been on the agenda since 2016, as admitted to by Trevor Roth.
https://movieweb.com/star-trek-4-up...dN--36MeC7UzKH_TEdBInLI7l-uwT-7A7J8LqTvy_Vx4I
https://movieweb.com/star-trek-4-up...dN--36MeC7UzKH_TEdBInLI7l-uwT-7A7J8LqTvy_Vx4I
A one off film with a completely new cast that on the surface level address the Romulan War, but in reality it would really be showing the origins of that TOS charm and basically be a back-to-basics film.
After getting a look at the prototype bridges for both the Kelvin and the Franklin, I realize they would work as bridges for Daedalus and Ganges/Warp Delta ships. The USS Franklin model should still be around to help make a fleet. The sets can be used to even make the interior of Andorian cruisers, Tellarite cruisers, etc. and they can also show off proto-versions of the Starfleet ships in the Kelvinverse, and pass them off as United Earth Stellar Navy ships.
I think they should take the unused Star Trek: The Beginning script that been floating around, modernize it a bit, and make it about the ancestors of Kirk and Spock each playing a pivotal role in changing the fortunes of Earth and its allies while the Battle of Sol is going on over Earth. Spock’s grandfather deals with the diplomatic aspect and getting the other founding worlds to come together to face down a common existential threat, even with his efforts clashing with the teachings of Surak regarding non-violence. While Kirk’s ancestor is on an exploration mission while using a prototype of what will become the Constitution class warp drive. But both will be dealing with their own TOS-y moral/ethical dilemmas. Spock’s grandfather can even be dealing with his own family drama with his father Solkar (the Vulcan that Cochrane meets in FC), like Spock and Sarek.
Meanwhile, United Earth Stellar Navy can be modeled off of Disco-era Starfleet and the Romulan Navy can be modeled after both the Imperial Starfleet of the mirror universe, and the Disco Klingons.
It just takes a brief crawl, like what DS9 and VOY did in their premieres, to catch the audience up that the conflict has been going on for a few years by the time the movie starts.
But if they do use the unused Star Trek: The Beginning script as their template, the writers need to fix the characterization of the Praetor. Even if he’s a mad Praetor, he should not be so openly deranged like the script portrayed him to be. Romulans, even though they wear emotions of their sleeves more than Vulcans, are more cerebral than that. Basically, a proud nationalist like T’Kuvma from DIS, but more a thinker and their rage is more quiet. The behaviour of Nero, as seen in ST'09, should be seen as the execption, not the rule.
I don’t even think it would be an overly violent or action-packed film at all. Outside of the Star War- like Battle of Sol, and the space battle likely at the climax of the film - which I would imagine would be Battle of the Mutara Nebula from TWOK meets Battle of Genesis from TSFS meets Battle of Khitomer from TUC meets Battle of the Briar Patch from INS – it would be a very talky film with bits of comedy sprinkled throughout.
I know some might groan at the idea (another prequel!), but I feel that a prequel involving how the Enterprise was created is wrongheaded if it’s supposed to be set in the Kelvin timeline.
After getting a look at the prototype bridges for both the Kelvin and the Franklin, I realize they would work as bridges for Daedalus and Ganges/Warp Delta ships. The USS Franklin model should still be around to help make a fleet. The sets can be used to even make the interior of Andorian cruisers, Tellarite cruisers, etc. and they can also show off proto-versions of the Starfleet ships in the Kelvinverse, and pass them off as United Earth Stellar Navy ships.
I think they should take the unused Star Trek: The Beginning script that been floating around, modernize it a bit, and make it about the ancestors of Kirk and Spock each playing a pivotal role in changing the fortunes of Earth and its allies while the Battle of Sol is going on over Earth. Spock’s grandfather deals with the diplomatic aspect and getting the other founding worlds to come together to face down a common existential threat, even with his efforts clashing with the teachings of Surak regarding non-violence. While Kirk’s ancestor is on an exploration mission while using a prototype of what will become the Constitution class warp drive. But both will be dealing with their own TOS-y moral/ethical dilemmas. Spock’s grandfather can even be dealing with his own family drama with his father Solkar (the Vulcan that Cochrane meets in FC), like Spock and Sarek.
Meanwhile, United Earth Stellar Navy can be modeled off of Disco-era Starfleet and the Romulan Navy can be modeled after both the Imperial Starfleet of the mirror universe, and the Disco Klingons.
It just takes a brief crawl, like what DS9 and VOY did in their premieres, to catch the audience up that the conflict has been going on for a few years by the time the movie starts.
But if they do use the unused Star Trek: The Beginning script as their template, the writers need to fix the characterization of the Praetor. Even if he’s a mad Praetor, he should not be so openly deranged like the script portrayed him to be. Romulans, even though they wear emotions of their sleeves more than Vulcans, are more cerebral than that. Basically, a proud nationalist like T’Kuvma from DIS, but more a thinker and their rage is more quiet. The behaviour of Nero, as seen in ST'09, should be seen as the execption, not the rule.
I don’t even think it would be an overly violent or action-packed film at all. Outside of the Star War- like Battle of Sol, and the space battle likely at the climax of the film - which I would imagine would be Battle of the Mutara Nebula from TWOK meets Battle of Genesis from TSFS meets Battle of Khitomer from TUC meets Battle of the Briar Patch from INS – it would be a very talky film with bits of comedy sprinkled throughout.
I know some might groan at the idea (another prequel!), but I feel that a prequel involving how the Enterprise was created is wrongheaded if it’s supposed to be set in the Kelvin timeline.
I liked parts of The Beginning script, but I'd prefer something all-new, to be honest.
And if they do base something new on it, no hiding Romulan war fleets on a path so the moon would hide them! That's not how orbits work!
And if they do base something new on it, no hiding Romulan war fleets on a path so the moon would hide them! That's not how orbits work!
When that script was written, it was taking inspiration from the Pearl Harbor movie, as it was supposed to be a romantic war drama. Nowadays, if a Romulan War film was going to take from WW2 films for inspiration, it would likely take them from Midway, Valkyrie, Overlord, Dunkirk, Inglorious Basterds, and Oppenheimer. To name a few films it could cherry pick from.
Not that the romance plot could not still be in the film, but it would take a backseat to tell a far different story. There are ways to make the film so that its not so heavy in its storytelling.
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Don't knock it, the new article says very soon!I saw new posts and thought someone had reports of them building sets for the new movie!
With Cho, it would have to be very mid-budget.
In reality I don't know what that means, but it might mean there are internal milestones to hit and such.
I had big hopes for that script and I think I really liked one scene, where the Vulcans are watching "My Favourite Martian." Everything felt so cliche and I was really bummed about the use of female characters, one being a damsel and the other getting killed in the initial attack. Maybe it would have been better in the next draft though. Like I read the first draft of Back to the Future II and even that was atrocious.
Having been here for a while, I'll believe it when I see it.
First thing I thought of when I saw the news about the new writer this morning was, "And what is up that Paramount wants to pump its stock by putting out news about a Trek movie that will never happen?"
This broke this afternoon:
Paramount Global’s Debt Rating Downgraded to Junk by S&P
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/paramount-global-junk-rating-sp-global-1235953838/
This broke this afternoon:
Paramount Global’s Debt Rating Downgraded to Junk by S&P
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/paramount-global-junk-rating-sp-global-1235953838/
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