No. You don't assume with any weapon. You check the rounds, you verify and you don't take anyone's word for it.
That's the armorer's job. A procedure not followed on this set.
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That's the armorer's job. A procedure not followed on this set.
No. No no no.
She was responsible for handing over a live weapon. Her ammo should have been secure and she should have been 100% sure of any ammunition.
What I said was that if someone took that safe weapon and reloaded live rounds AFTER she handed it over, that would not have been her fault, but that is not what happened. Apparently.
but the production ordered dummy rounds from ?? co. That co. mixed up dummy round w/ live round and ship them live round. Shouldn't that co. takes at least 50% of the responsibility?
At Safeway, if egg is tainted w/ salmonella, they do a recall, and manufacturer takes the blame. Why shouldn't this be the same?
see, w/ Brandon Lee and this case, both incident are caused by cheap production budget, the 2 cases are essentially the same. There is also another case of
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/footage-shows-final-moments-before-4559744
once again, cheap production
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In our case, she is too young and inexperience to handle this film, she's only hired due to cheap production budget. IF this were not a cheap production, Halyna Hutchins would still be alive. Before the incident, several film crew have quit:
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-crew-members-walk-off-morning-halyna-hutchins-death
At Safeway, if egg is tainted w/ salmonella, they do a recall, and manufacturer takes the blame. Why shouldn't this be the same?
see, w/ Brandon Lee and this case, both incident are caused by cheap production budget, the 2 cases are essentially the same. There is also another case of
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/footage-shows-final-moments-before-4559744
once again, cheap production
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In our case, she is too young and inexperience to handle this film, she's only hired due to cheap production budget. IF this were not a cheap production, Halyna Hutchins would still be alive. Before the incident, several film crew have quit:
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-crew-members-walk-off-morning-halyna-hutchins-death
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That's not the original narrative that I heard and was linked from this thread, which was that she authorised/allowed/turned a blind eye to members of the crew using the weapons for shooting practice (with live rounds) and the weapons weren't properly cleared by her after they were returned to her custody once filming restarted.
Now, that doesn't mean that she was solely responsible, but unless the above has been disproven (and replaced with the other narrative?) then she was certainly partly responsible.
So you agree that she fucked up.
yes, at her age. But is she the one that should take the responsibility ? The case is a clone of "The Firm" by Tom Cruise. They hire a young, inexperience person to handle a case that he / she is not capable of, in her case, for the purpose of cheap wages.
For her actions? Yes.
There's plenty of blame to go around. That doesn't lessen how much she deserves.
exactly. that's why in the Brandon Lee case, which is essentially the same sort of incident, that the staff at the set didn't look after the firearm properly, that the 2 FBI agent didn't charge anyone, because too many people can be blamed around.
Look at this interview:
like he said, there is no way live around is available on the set
Look at this interview:
like he said, there is no way live around is available on the set
"Exactly" implies that we agree. We don't.
You think (if I have read your posts correctly) that because she was a certain age and because other people also made mistakes that she shouldn't be blamed for her part in the tragedy. I do not feel that way.
I sided w/ those 2 FBI agent in the Brandon Lee investigation, as the 2 cases are virtually identical. That there are too many people involved, and those 2 FBI agents said it's too complex to dig out 1 or more people to be responsible.
The production shouldn't have hire a person who is only the SECOND job in her entire career
By the way, I have very high respect on Alec Baldwin, his donation list on those charity is very long:
https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/alec-baldwin
The production shouldn't have hire a person who is only the SECOND job in her entire career
By the way, I have very high respect on Alec Baldwin, his donation list on those charity is very long:
https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/alec-baldwin
Nope. She claimed experience and didn't verify the rounds. Her responsibility.
but everyone knows her experience is based on 1 film only. She said she can't do that job but they hire her.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/rust-armorer-fair-shot-trial-1235823841/
see, the above article is saying what I'm saying, that she's a scapegoat for a cheap production
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/rust-armorer-fair-shot-trial-1235823841/
see, the above article is saying what I'm saying, that she's a scapegoat for a cheap production
Then resign.
She stayed in the job, failed to verify ammo. It's her responsibility. End of story.
As I recall the Brandon Lee incident, there were no live rounds involved. There were inert dummy rounds in the gun - a cartridge with a bullet but no powder or primer, so when photographed from the front you could see bullets in the cylinder. What unfortunately happened is one bullet came lose frrom its cartridge (when the gun was dry-snapped?) and fell forward into the forcing cone of the barrel. Then a later scene called for a blank to be fired - blanks obviously have no bullet in them. BUT there was that loose bullet stuck in the barrel, and the blank was powerful enough to launch it thru the barrel and hit Brandon.
There was also the John Eric Hexum incident, where the idiot didn't understand that a blank still has a powder charge in it when he 'playfully' put it to his head and pulled the trigger. The powder charge blew a chunk of his skull into his brain.
On the Rust set, as mentioned, some fool brought live rounds so they could shoot targets in their off time. Maybe to show the actors what it was like to really fire a gun? A fun pastime by itself, and one I enjoy occasionally myself. On a movie set, tho, obviously, they should have just NOT. Take the actors to a shooting range. Some friends and I made a video western for fun once in the 80s. Yes I used my real old west revolvers and lever guns, and I made up some black powder blanks. We fired some live rounds at targets with my friends to show them. Before we rolled tape, I reminded them of Hexum, told them NEVER EVER point one of these at anyone, and we arranged any scene that involved shooting to ONLY include the shooter shooting off camera, and NOT have the shootee anywhere near.
There was also the John Eric Hexum incident, where the idiot didn't understand that a blank still has a powder charge in it when he 'playfully' put it to his head and pulled the trigger. The powder charge blew a chunk of his skull into his brain.
On the Rust set, as mentioned, some fool brought live rounds so they could shoot targets in their off time. Maybe to show the actors what it was like to really fire a gun? A fun pastime by itself, and one I enjoy occasionally myself. On a movie set, tho, obviously, they should have just NOT. Take the actors to a shooting range. Some friends and I made a video western for fun once in the 80s. Yes I used my real old west revolvers and lever guns, and I made up some black powder blanks. We fired some live rounds at targets with my friends to show them. Before we rolled tape, I reminded them of Hexum, told them NEVER EVER point one of these at anyone, and we arranged any scene that involved shooting to ONLY include the shooter shooting off camera, and NOT have the shootee anywhere near.
Age? Well, everyone has different life experiences. At 24 I'd been shooting with my father most of my life, and had been buying my own guns for 3 years, and did a lot of outdoor shooting with friends. Never hurt anybody and still haven't at 66. At 24, Dad had just gotten back from WWII in the Pacific, where he'd shot, bombed, strafed, rocketed and napalmed a whole LOT of people. But nobody on our side.
no, that's not exactly what happened w/ the Brandon Lee case. Scroll up to view that unsolved mysteries video
Age does not absolve one of personal responsibility.
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Indeed.
In fact, I'm in favor of trying juvenile murderers as adults.
I said “tortious,” not “intentional.” Tortious conduct for which one can be liable includes negligent and reckless behavior.
watching some youtube, turns out she never testified. That is really bad tactics. Only someone who is really guilty would NOT speak out. IF she's clean, she has to tell her own version of what happens. So it's her lawyer, that do this for free, that doom her