What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Tallguy]

Also, 'the great reveal' about Skrall near the end of the movie made the entire story utterly unconvincing in my eyes.

I love Beyond, but another "The real enemy is US" was almost a step to far for me. (One step Beyond, you might say.)

For me the movie completely falls apart when in the finale with Kirk and Elba flying over Tomorrowland. It doesn't make sense, I don't care about anything that's happening for that stretch of film. Beat the bad guy already.

But then the crew gets back together and I love it again. It's my favorite ending of any of the Kelvin movies.

As I've said upthread (possibly more than once) this is the best "blow up the ship". (My favorite is, of course, The Search for Spock.) That they make me care about a ship that I hate that much is a testament to everyone involved. I think a lot of that rests on Pine.

Of course most of why I give the Kelvin movies the time of day rests on Pine. He deserved so much better. He's an amazing Kirk.

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

By now, the Trek movies are deader than after "Nemesis" - it took only 7 years back then to re-star the franchise.

We're now in year 8 after the last Tre movie, and there's nothing remotely even on the horizon.

Theatrical films sure, but Section 31 is filming right now.

 

[Shawnster]

While I think having more aliens around can add to the interest, my issue is there are so many that they all kind of get shortchanged into having monocultures. I sometimes wonder if say there were only six races making up the Federation, then those races and their cultures could be fleshed out in a more interesting manner.

I've been of a mind for a while now that, instead of yet another alien of the week, Trek would have been better off reusing a previously established species. It rarely mattered to the story what the species was.

 

[Rahul]

Theatrical films sure, but Section 31 is filming right now.

Which is more of a sign that the streaming of Trek is also dying...
Not so much due to Trek itself. More that streaming companies as a whole are kind of in a consolidation phase right now.

 

[Farscape One]

I love Beyond, but another "The real enemy is US" was almost a step to far for me. (One step Beyond, you might say.)

For me the movie completely falls apart when in the finale with Kirk and Elba flying over Tomorrowland. It doesn't make sense, I don't care about anything that's happening for that stretch of film. Beat the bad guy already.

But then the crew gets back together and I love it again. It's my favorite ending of any of the Kelvin movies.

As I've said upthread (possibly more than once) this is the best "blow up the ship". (My favorite is, of course, The Search for Spock.) That they make me care about a ship that I hate that much is a testament to everyone involved. I think a lot of that rests on Pine.

Of course most of why I give the Kelvin movies the time of day rests on Pine. He deserved so much better. He's an amazing Kirk.

A rare pleasure to see a nod to the series ONE STEP BEYOND.

 

[Tallguy]

I've been of a mind for a while now that, instead of yet another alien of the week, Trek would have been better off reusing a previously established species. It rarely mattered to the story what the species was.

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[evilchumlee]

EXCEPT … the example we’ve seen in canon has nothing to do with environmental factors, and everything to do with the Vulcan captain of the ship being a bigoted dick.

The Vulcan captain in “Take Me Out To The Holosuite” is explicit in believing in Vulcan superiority as his reasoning for having an all-Vulcan crew. It has nothing to do with the ambient temperature of the ship’s interior, and everything to do with the Vulcan captain thinking Vulcans are better, which if you applied that mentality to any workplace setting would be a fireable offense that would get someone sued in any modern managerial position when you have someone basing staffing decisions on stereotypes.

Yes and no.

Solok was absolutely a bigoted dick, and he absolutely thinks having an all-Vulcan crew is superior.

His opinion doesn't mean that's ACTUALLY why it happened, or why all of the crew on the ship are on that ship.

We know from SNW that Vulcans need to (or at least, tend to) undergo a medical procedure to tolerate working with humans to dampen their sense of smell. It would be downright dystopian for Starfleet to demand this of any Vulcan serving in Starfleet.

It strikes me as a notion that’s firmly rejected in TNG’s “Redemption Part 2” when the human XO tries to demean Data’s ability to command by appealing to stereotypes and the ability of certain species to do certain things within Starfleet, and in the end is shown to be completely and totally wrong.

There is absolutely still bigotry in the Star Trek universe, as much as they try to claim there is not. They are particularly horrible to artificial life.

 

[at Quark's]

I love Beyond, but another "The real enemy is US" was almost a step to far for me. (One step Beyond, you might say.)

For me the movie completely falls apart when in the finale with Kirk and Elba flying over Tomorrowland. It doesn't make sense, I don't care about anything that's happening for that stretch of film. Beat the bad guy already.

But then the crew gets back together and I love it again. It's my favorite ending of any of the Kelvin movies.

As I've said upthread (possibly more than once) this is the best "blow up the ship". (My favorite is, of course, The Search for Spock.) That they make me care about a ship that I hate that much is a testament to everyone involved. I think a lot of that rests on Pine.

Of course most of why I give the Kelvin movies the time of day rests on Pine. He deserved so much better. He's an amazing Kirk.

Well, I've no complaints about the acting, the actors are doing a fine job.

Also I have no trouble with 'the real enemy is us!' as a story idea in itself. That could be a really potent idea, when executed well. I simply believe Krall is going too far. That is, I could believe how a die-hard soldier comes to be believe Starfleet lost its way, has become too soft, but not that out of sheer disgust of having peace with our former enemies, he turns to mass murder of innocent civilian population, the same population he once fought for. Not without assuming he has simply become criminally insane, possibly due to that alien technology.

(This is in reaction to the creators who apparently stated tat "If we really want to deconstruct what the Federation means, we need to have an antagonist with a valid point of view. It can't just be someone twirling their moustache. For the audience, when they hear [Krall's reasons] they might not agree with them, but they have to accept it's a valid point of view." Erm, no. I simply think he's a raving madman. )

 

[Guy Gardener]

If farting is the releasing of our subconscious fears and desires, then the Universal Translator should be able to translate air biscuits into Federation standard.

 

[1001001]

If farting is the releasing of our subconscious fears and desires, then the Universal Translator should be able to translate air biscuits into Federation standard.

 

[Tallguy]

Also I have no trouble with 'the real enemy is us!' as a story idea in itself. That could be a really potent idea, when executed well.

Except it's 2/3 of the Kelvin movies. And Iron Man 3. And... Good grief, how many Mission: Impossible films?

Beyond is also just about the worst waste of a great actor (Elba) since Chris Eccleston was in Thor: The Dark World.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

creatively.

"Beyond" was okay - but the audience damage was already done, so it flopped HARD

Beyond underperformed, but still turned a profit.

It did not ‘flop HARD’.

 

[Farscape One]

Beyond underperformed, but still turned a profit.

It did not ‘flop HARD’.

And was a damn good movie. BY FAR, the best the Kelvin movies. And it was better than the TNG ones except FIRST CONTACT.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Beyond underperformed, but still turned a profit.

It did not ‘flop HARD’.

Many panelists at my 2016 conventions believed Paramount seemed strangely uninterested in promoting the film properly for the 50th anniversary. I'm one month older than the MAN TRAP premiere, so I watched the end of BEYOND the same time of day when I literally turned 50.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

And was a damn good movie. BY FAR, the best the Kelvin movies. And it was better than the TNG ones except FIRST CONTACT.

It beats the shit out of FC.

Controversial Opinion:

Beyond is not only the best Kelvin movie of the 3, it’s the best Trek movie of all 13.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Beyond is not only the best Kelvin movie of the 3, it’s the best Trek movie of all 13.

Tell us why.

 

[Farscape One]

It beats the shit out of FC.

Controversial Opinion:

Beyond is not only the best Kelvin movie of the 3, it’s the best Trek movie of all 13.

Definitely have to disagree. While I do feel it had the spirit of STAR TREK more than most of the other films, I can't call it the best movie of the franchise.

But this IS the Controversial STAR TREK Opinion, so I salute you for that one.


How about this for controversial?

TAS is better than PICARD and DISCO. (My order of the bottom three shows... 9th is TAS, 10th is PICARD, and dead last is DISCO. How their final season turns out to be will determine if it inches up or not. Personally, I'd like them to end well.)

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Tell us why.

It feels properly cinematic in a way that the TOS/TNG movies never have.

I like the whole Kelvin cast anyway.

It has the best OST and it has a true auteur in the director’s seat.

I just think it’s a very, very good movie.

 

[Rahul]

Beyond underperformed, but still turned a profit.

It did not ‘flop HARD’.

"Star Trek Beyond" had a global box office of 343,5 mio. dollars, against a budget of 185 mio. dollars.

"Solo: A Star Wars Story" had a global box office of 393,2 mio. dollars, against a budget of ~250 mio. dollars.

Both movies found a sizeable audience and have gained somewhat of a cult following since then.
But both stayed way behind expectations, previous movies or competition, and both had WAY overblown budgets, which is why they appear on "movie bomb" lists, as they lost the studios a sizeable amount of money.

 

[Tallguy]

I loved Solo.