What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I have several.....mostly involving Majel Barrett.
There never was a HILL STREET musical* (yet), but I remember a brief 1990 push to produce a TREK opera which was apparently, ultimately discouraged. Perhaps if James Sikking is willing to sing, we may yet still get both.
(*I just couldn't resist.)
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That one does indeed make me ill.
Especially when they get to Supercalinarcolepticextrahalitosis. I always lose my lunch at that point.
I'm one Angela Cartwright fan who was similarly allergic to THE SOUND OF MUSIC....as was my mentor Pauline Kael. I believe McCALLS magazine fired her for her scathing review. And yet....
.....during the month of September 2001 I began to appreciate it in context. One 2001 review compared the two, describing them as ''two worlds gone mad.'' And my mother, who passed away that fall, always enjoyed it. So I eventually bought the movie. While not entirely successful, parts of it are more moving to me now.
At one point I dubbed ''Spoonful of Sugar'' during Ice Cube's BOYZ N THE HOOD scenes.*
(*Tweetybird's ''Singin' in Da Bathtub'' is even better with Ice-T's cadences. Trust me on this.)
How's THIS for a musical:
"Has the jury reached a verdict? ... HIT IT!"
"Has the jury reached a verdict? ... HIT IT!"
I remember it well. I was shocked, shocked to see Barbara Bosson in the cast.
People who insist that Trek is supposed to be some pseudo-documentary of fictional events really irk me, TBH. It's pretty clear that Trek cannot be read at that. At best, it can be seen as a dramatization of events that take place within the Star Trek universe. For example:
- The universal translator is (generally speaking - outside of Kelvin movies) shown as not only translating speech, but showing mouth movements which match with the translated speech. While I suppose it's theoretically possible that it would like generate a small hologram over someone's mouth, there's no logical reason why this would occur.
- Similarly, there are, on occasion, shots aboard alien ships without the presence of any Starfleet officers. These are also presented translated (including with mouths in proper sync) into English. There is no UT here, so what is going on.
- Trek has repeatedly taken liberties with dramatic lighting which is completely impractical for a work location, particularly during combat.
- Recasts have happened across the series, and we are not meant to believe that the characters have had cosmetic surgery.
- Issues related to budgetary constraints (particularly around TOS).
Indeed, yes. I have used the terminology "strict literalism" in the past to describe this, because I largely see it happen in studying history and different documents for ancient history. Taking it as a dramatization covers over all the issues noted but still allows freedom of creative expression.
If you include TOS in this, could you give a specific or two?
I don't think we really saw the extremely dim lighting on the bridge thing until TWOK.
However, TOS did use unnatural lighting on the bridge, which looked dramatic, but didn't make sense from a realistic standpoint.
Shadows, for example, get cast backwards, toward the walls of the bridge, which makes sense from a perspective of stage lighting. It makes no sense from a perspective of the bridge, however, as lighting should be coming from the ceiling.
Here's some impractically dim lighting from Balance of Terror though.
I'll rent The Sound of Music on Amazon. There's someone I want to invite over to watch it with, we actually had this discussion IRL a few weeks ago, and then we'll watch it. Maybe on or around Christmas.You just missed your chance; it was on network TV last night.
I think Jess Bush sneaks a look into the camera during "I'm Ready", but what people really mean is "breaks their immersion".
McCoy literally breaks the fourth wall at the very end of "Journey to Babel(TOS)."
"Well, whaddya know. I finally got the last word!"
"Well, whaddya know. I finally got the last word!"
Not really, because Sarek, Amanda, and Chapel are in Sickbay along with Kirk and Spock in their beds. McCoy is looking in the direction of where the Sarek, Amanda, and Chapel are located.
Don't know if she still is, but I know around that time she was the wife of Steven Bochco (the creator of Cop Rock).I remember it well. I was shocked, shocked to see Barbara Bosson in the cast.
The line is very allusive; if not breaking through it, McCoy is all over the fourth wall and leaning on it awfully hard.
Also Mary Poppins.
Next thing people will be complaining about how the song Le Jazz Hot was too silly when the Nazis barged in and James Garner and William Windom had to run.
I take it you all have never experienced rarely/finally being able to get the last word in. Or talking to yourself out loud. I can easily see and find completely realistic McCoy doing that.
Although, Strange New Worlds kinda took away the 4th wall when it did the crossover with Lower Decks and became 2-dimensional.
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