I think the comment was more pointed at people that think Trek shouldn't do a musical episode.
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I think the comment was more pointed at people that think Trek shouldn't do a musical episode.
If OZ, CHICAGO HOPE, ALLY McBEAL, HILL STREET, BUFFY and XENA can do it, TREK certainly can.
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I'll always appreciate the fact that they worked in why they were singing.
Should it?
Not sure I see any reason it shouldn’t.
Indeed.
I'm still flummoxed that SNW did a musical before DSC. If I ever expected any Trek series to do a musical it would have been DSC!
That said, "Subspace Rhapsody" was indeed slightly less cringeworthy than I thought. I will say this, though, there are some SNW actors who really knock it out of the park (such as Christina Chong, she's definitely the best singer out of all of them) and some who should not give up their day job (sorry, but I count Anson Mount on that list).
That said, "Subspace Rhapsody" was indeed slightly less cringeworthy than I thought. I will say this, though, there are some SNW actors who really knock it out of the park (such as Christina Chong, she's definitely the best singer out of all of them) and some who should not give up their day job (sorry, but I count Anson Mount on that list).
Why shouldn't it? Beyond 'because I feel it shouldn't'. I mean, Star Trek has done many types of stories throughout its history. Takes on crimeshows, horror, action, rom-com, you name it. Why should musical be excluded? Some people protested it shouldn't do horror, because that's 'un-Star Trek'. It just means they feel they can't enjoy a certain episode because it fits a certain genre. That's their problem, not Star Trek's problem. There is no reason for them to not do a certain genre/style of episode.
Hell, in a recent interview Tarantino stated his Star Trek would have had Pulp Fiction levels of violence. Some people would have hated it. Others would have been ok with it. No is wrong.
My point is.... Star Trek has been many kinds of stories throughout history. And hopefully it always will be.
There is a Trek novel called I, The Constable which basically makes Odo a 40's-style film noir detective.
Oh, how I would have freaking LOVED to see DS9 do that. René would have crushed it.
Oh, how I would have freaking LOVED to see DS9 do that. René would have crushed it.
That's the question.
Perhaps give your own answer? Could be fun for the sake over conversation.
I think @Richard S. Claus was right. But anyway...
We disagree a lot about non-TOS Trek but I'm talking about what I think of the episode as a musical, not necessarily as a Star Trek episode. So take that for what it's worth. I don't usually go out of my way to watch musicals, but I like the ones I've seen. I want to watch The Sound of Music, which is on my "To Watch At Some Point" List.
I enjoyed what I saw of it, turned it off because I had to be somewhere, and haven't gotten back to it yet. Haven't felt the burning urge. That tells me I can take it in doses, when I feel like watching it, but I'm not going to go out of my way to watch them. Not usually my type of thing.
We disagree a lot about non-TOS Trek but I'm talking about what I think of the episode as a musical, not necessarily as a Star Trek episode. So take that for what it's worth. I don't usually go out of my way to watch musicals, but I like the ones I've seen. I want to watch The Sound of Music, which is on my "To Watch At Some Point" List.
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You know, it makes much more sense that Odo would have been into Dixon Hill than Picard. O'Brien should have definitely passed that torch on. (To be fair, it makes more sense that almost any other member of the crew would have been into Dixon Hill than Picard!).
I’ve actually been curious how far away from the usual staples of Star Trek a series could position itself in premise. Like could a series work if it wasn’t centered on Starfleet or the Federation?
I’m guessing people barely remember this now, but originally they specifically didn’t call Enterprise a Star Trek series because they wanted to distance it and set it apart from the other shows in the franchise. But I think by season 3 they rethought that and it became Star Trek: Enterprise. And one thing I thought interesting about Picard season 1 was it tried to eschew the usual framework aspects of Starfleet to a degree, and have the characters be off on their own away from Starfleet.
For example, I remember thinking one direction they might take with season 2 was Picard and crew joining up with the Fenris Rangers, and him sort of being a leader in a Maquis-esque group on the edge of Federation space, and how that might make for an interesting contrast. Here’s a character that’s always been an advocate of Federation values now possibly made to be in conflict with that Federation from the outside.
But the drift of things with the storytelling for seasons 2 and 3 just seemed to pull Picard back towards Starfleet, and if I’m being honest for me there’s a comfort in that. Once they got back to familiar aspects of a Federation starship it felt more like Star Trek to me. And I wonder if for a Star Trek series there’s an expectation of a certain way things should work, and when it’s not there it doesn’t feel right.
I’m guessing people barely remember this now, but originally they specifically didn’t call Enterprise a Star Trek series because they wanted to distance it and set it apart from the other shows in the franchise. But I think by season 3 they rethought that and it became Star Trek: Enterprise. And one thing I thought interesting about Picard season 1 was it tried to eschew the usual framework aspects of Starfleet to a degree, and have the characters be off on their own away from Starfleet.
For example, I remember thinking one direction they might take with season 2 was Picard and crew joining up with the Fenris Rangers, and him sort of being a leader in a Maquis-esque group on the edge of Federation space, and how that might make for an interesting contrast. Here’s a character that’s always been an advocate of Federation values now possibly made to be in conflict with that Federation from the outside.
But the drift of things with the storytelling for seasons 2 and 3 just seemed to pull Picard back towards Starfleet, and if I’m being honest for me there’s a comfort in that. Once they got back to familiar aspects of a Federation starship it felt more like Star Trek to me. And I wonder if for a Star Trek series there’s an expectation of a certain way things should work, and when it’s not there it doesn’t feel right.
Oh, I know there are expectations.
I just think they have become a straight jacket relying on subjective feelings.
Correct about ENTERPRISE. It was changed to STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE starting with "EXTINCTION", the third episode of season 3.
I still have this vision of DSC characters (not just the actors, I mean the actual characters) doing Rocky Horror...
Frank: Michael Burnham
Rocky: Book
The Criminologist: Saru
Brad: Culber
Janet: Stamets
Riff Raff: Kovich
Eddie: Tilly
Little Nell: Detmer
Columbia: Owo
Everett Scott: Tarka
Frank: Michael Burnham
Rocky: Book
The Criminologist: Saru
Brad: Culber
Janet: Stamets
Riff Raff: Kovich
Eddie: Tilly
Little Nell: Detmer
Columbia: Owo
Everett Scott: Tarka
From a personal point of view I just find it impossible to take them seriously. It's a complete breaking of the fourth wall, a reminder I'm watching a movie or a TV show with actors on a sound stage. They might as well look right down the camera and start addressing things directly to the audience. "This is how I feel, and I feel sad, and I'm going to sing a sad song about it, because I am saaad, and you need to know that I am saaaaaaaaad..."
The moment actors start singing and dancing my suspension of disbelief comes crashing down and I just lose interest. I can even enjoy the songs sometimes in isolation, but I am just not a fan of musicals.
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