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Yeah, I know a lot of directors and actors won't watch their own movies or shows because all they can see what they did wrong or what they would have do differently looking back at it now.
 
The thing about the 2003 Clone Wars is that when they were making The Clone Wars in 2008, they generally assumed that the 2003 stuff happened both before and after their new series. At least at first.
It's more accurate to say that they didn't want to re-tread the same ground, and wanted the new show to be it's own thing.

But sure, in broad terms certain events of the old show happened more or less as depicted. Though the only really significant carryover directly from (aside from some sideways references to Windu on Dantooine etc.) is are the knighting ceremony which Lucas allowed Tartakovsky to make up on his own. Which while it has shown up in several other places since, was never depicting in TCW. That Anakin was knighted early in the war is inferred from the movies alone, so it makes little difference that the micro-series depicted it because of course that happened.
Also a very loose recreation of the scene in which Dooku takes Ventress on as an apprentice showed up in TCW. Once again though, it's one of those things that would look basically the same one way or the other. Yet another similar situation is Anakn & Padme's mutual gifting of the droids to each other. We can infer it must have happened between AotC & RotS one way or the other, so it's a fairly easy "fill in the blanks".

What definitely didn't happen as depicted in the micro-series however was Anakin & Ventress's first meeting and showdown on Yavin IV. Turns out; "that business on Cato Nemoidia" was when she first made herself known to Anakin & Obi-Wan (mostly Obi-Wan.)
Plus of course the final arc of the micro-series is entirely supplanted by TCW's finale as they can't possibly both lead into the events of RotS, and I seriously doubt Lucas or Filloni ever intended their show to eventually end with that same story.
 
That business on Cato Neimoidia is a direct reference to an incident in the book Labyrinth of Evil, and Ventress wasn't involved.
 
Yeah, I know a lot of directors and actors won't watch their own movies or shows because all they can see what they did wrong or what they would have do differently looking back at it now.

I thought about this with music, what do musicians think when they hear their own material, should something be different?
In that case the answer could be found from live performances, the live versions aren't exactly the same as studio versions.
Live versions might be very different.
Sometimes it's clear what has been changed.
Sometimes the song is "enhanced".... maybe "better" would be the wrong word but different in a good way.
One weird example, Metallica has many albums these days. During the 90s, after 7 albums, they took what they thought were the best pieces from the first two albums and created one long song from many different songs.
That is a bit harder with movies and series.
 
I thought about this with music, what do musicians think when they hear their own material, should something be different?
In that case the answer could be found from live performances, the live versions aren't exactly the same as studio versions.
Live versions might be very different.
Sometimes it's clear what has been changed.
Sometimes the song is "enhanced".... maybe "better" would be the wrong word but different in a good way.
One weird example, Metallica has many albums these days. During the 90s, after 7 albums, they took what they thought were the best pieces from the first two albums and created one long song from many different songs.
That is a bit harder with movies and series.
live versions can vary for a huge amount of reasons in any case. One is no doubt as an attempt to do something better than what was recorded, another may be because it would be impossible to replicate what’s on record (for example you’d need three guitars but have only one guitarist), another simply because a song may “grow” while the band plays it over and over.
 
Yeah, I know a lot of directors and actors won't watch their own movies or shows because all they can see what they did wrong or what they would have do differently looking back at it now.
From what I gather, for Directors it's mostly because when one makes a movie and shepards it from conception, through production, all the way to post and the premier, they're basically living with it in their brain 24/7 for up to if not more than two years of their life, watching it in all of it's various stages more times that they can count. At that point not only would one feel no need to watch it again any time soon, there's also (ideally) the next project coming to take up all of their time and thoughts for the next few years . . . then another, then another. The before they know it, they're sitting down to record the commentary for the 10th or 25th anniversary release, and out of their mouths pops the words "I haven't' seen this since the premier!"

As for most actors that make a similar "I never watch my own work" claim; I think Sam Jackson is on record saying that that's a bunch of bullshit. Actors (including him) are way too vain not to watch themselves. I defer to his judgment and experience in the matter.
 
As for most actors that make a similar "I never watch my own work" claim; I think Sam Jackson is on record saying that that's a bunch of bullshit. Actors (including him) are way too vain not to watch themselves. I defer to his judgment and experience in the matter.
Speaking as someone who can only see video of himself or listen to recordings of his own voice while alone, and usually while editing it in some way, and otherwise (especially around other people) the experience makes me want to jump out of my skin and run down the street, I absolutely believe there are plenty of actors who find watching themselves to be viscerally uncomfortable.
 
Speaking as someone who can only see video of himself or listen to recordings of his own voice while alone, and usually while editing it in some way, and otherwise (especially around other people) the experience makes me want to jump out of my skin and run down the street, I absolutely believe there are plenty of actors who find watching themselves to be viscerally uncomfortable.

And speaking as someone that used to have to listen to the same five second recording of his own voice all day, every day, for years and never once got comfortable with it (don't ask), I absolutely believe that I'm not wired the same ways as an actor. You know, those people that actively seek to be the centre of attention? That attend drama classes. That act in plays. That record their own audition tapes when they're up-and-comers. That want to be in front of cameras and people so much they actively seek it out.

There's plenty of people in professions where one might have to speak in public, in front of cameras and the like, and they learn to deal with it despite any discomfort, and would not choose to view and/or listen to themselves if given a choice. That's usually because such a thing is a necessary part of the job, but not the whole point of it. That doesn't apply to acting, let alone at the level we're talking about. Looking at yourself one way or another is pretty fundamental and on balance, is what attracts most of them to "the craft" in the first place. Most of them.

Also, 1) again, I said "most", not "all", because exceptions don't prove the rule, and 2) Jackson was obviously being a little facetious for dramatic/comedic effect. So was I. So relax.
 
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Actually, the novel Brotherhood makes it entirely possible for a version of the Yavin 4 battle between Anakin and Ventress to have occurred.

Anakin makes an offhand reference to feeling like Ventress' attack at the end of that novel feels familiar. And he explicitly mentions earlier in the story that he faced one of Dooku's assassins previously, whom he didn't get a good look at, and whom he presumes to be dead.

And considering that novel makes half a dozen other references to the '03 series, I'd say that at least the broad strokes are more or less still considered to have happened.
 
Isn't he getting a good look at her here?
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Blinded by his red rage (he was rather angry and tapping into the Dark Side for most of that fight)
 
I think there was a deliberate decision made for TCW to not do the EU thing and make Ventress Anakin's nemesis and Grevious Obi-Wan's. The show instead made them both foils for Obi-Wan (and Ahsoka, to a lesser degree) more often than not. Indeed, once you add Cad Bane, Maul, Savage, Vizla, and Dooku to the list; Obi-Wan had basically all the nemeses most of the time.
Dooku is probably the closest Anakin had to a consistent opponent, but even then I think he only faced him alone that once during the 'Deception' arc, which was itself meant to be Palpatine's dress rehearsal for RotS. Most other times he was there with Obi-Wan.
Which is of course the correct decision and very telling of the subtext of his arc: Anakin's nemesis was always himself.
Actually, the novel Brotherhood makes it entirely possible for a version of the Yavin 4 battle between Anakin and Ventress to have occurred.

Anakin makes an offhand reference to feeling like Ventress' attack at the end of that novel feels familiar. And he explicitly mentions earlier in the story that he faced one of Dooku's assassins previously, whom he didn't get a good look at, and whom he presumes to be dead.

And considering that novel makes half a dozen other references to the '03 series, I'd say that at least the broad strokes are more or less still considered to have happened.
Eh. That feels more like it's intended just as a sideways allusion to the micro-series than anything approaching what you're suggesting. He clearly got a very good look at her in the show, (like "got right in her face" good) and if you have to drastically change the thing you're referencing to make it "real", well then what's the point?

Besides, if she'd tried to kill him once already then you'd think she'd have mentioned it, or at least be out for a little payback, since that was a VERY long fall . . .
 
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If by minutes one means closer to the end of the film. ;) But yeah, Grievous wasn't really used very well in ROTS and got much more interesting and terrifying character development and scenery-chewing in the Tartakovsky microseries.

ROTS even made the character noticeably smaller and less physically intimidating than he'd been in animation in 2003, which didn't help him feel more threatening to our heroes. Anakin's greeting of "you're shorter than I expected" may be a wink-and-nod to the downsizing for live action.
 
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