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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Maybe Rayna in a sense is too. She certainly has a better wardrobe than Vizh....*
(let's not mention his honeymoon swimsuit....AGAIN.)
I think I agree with you here.
Season 1 was terrible. Season 2 was just abysmal. (Really, Pike was the only great part of it.) And season 4, while sticking the landing better than any of the other seasons did, was still so ridiculously padded out that you could have eliminated 6 episodes and not noticed. (Truthfully, I can't even remember the names of more than 3 or 4 episodes of season 4... and this is coming from someone who has dozens of shows and episodes basically memorized, including their writers and directors.)
Though the reason behind the burn was just so incredibly stupid, the rest of the season was fairly solid.
Which leads me to my (possibly?) controversial opinion ...
The 4th season of every series in the franchise (that has made it to a 4th season, anyway) has been their best. With the exception of DISCO, for the reasons above.
Fourth seasons are pretty good.
But Picard had Star Trek's best eighth season so far.
But Picard had Star Trek's best eighth season so far.
IIRC (and I've watched most of it twice) the opening wasn't great and the ending (with the exception of some Spock and Michael stuff) was AWFUL.
But there were quite a few episodes in the middle that were really good. What's the one with Saru and Kaminar? That was one of the best things in Star Trek in years. And yes, there is some good Pike stuff.
Oh, that last episode though. It drove me away from Star Trek until SNW brought me back.
@Richard S. Taaaaaaagh! is probably right about 3. It's not as hated as season 1 and this was when Disco kind of moved into "Oh, is that still on?" territory. So it's probably slipped past a lot of people's RADAR.
I still need to watch Disco 4. Probably when I'm going through Trek withdrawal next week.
And yet oddly, it still didn't. Weird, huh?But Picard had Star Trek's best eighth season so far.
I will take TAS over DISCO season 2 any day. (Until PICARD season 2 happened, I found DISCO season 2 to be the worst in the franchise.)
PIC Season 2 is, in my opinion, the single worst season of any Star Trek - and I mean any - since 1987-88. And at least that earlier season of Trek content wasn't tied down to an interminable, ludicrous and largely uninspired story arc that took four weeks to really get going and was just mediocre until the final episode of the year.
I will take TAS over all of TNG.
Controversial Opinion -
I really, really liked everything about the whole Burn thing. I didn’t think it was stupid at all. I thought it was cool.
It’s nice to know there’s somebody else out there who really loves TAS. It’s a brilliant series.
I really, really liked everything about the whole Burn thing. I didn’t think it was stupid at all. I thought it was cool.
It’s nice to know there’s somebody else out there who really loves TAS. It’s a brilliant series.
Same here. TAS is underrated and very creative in terms of alien life forms and interesting story ideas
In line with the above opinion I think the Burn is very much something in line with a TOS or TAS storyline and absolutely welcome it's cause. It's not stupid, or underwhelming. It's very much in keeping with a lot of different aliens out there. Heck, it could be argued that V'Ger was of a similar mindset as it caused destruction and trying to find its meaning of existence.
Controversial opinion: I don't find "worst Trek season" to be a very good descriptor since in most seasons I can find something to enjoy.
I can enjoy watching Star Trek episodes and dislike them at the same time. Most of the time I do.
I really liked TAS, too. I was using that one as my example because I know so many really don't like TAS and wanted to illustrate just how badly I think DISCO and PICARD season 2 are.
Regarding worst season...
With the standalone seasons, I would agree with you. But because of how deeply arc driven DISCO and PICARD are, it's difficult to separate the episode from the season. The interconnectivity of the episodes within the season is so great that if even a piece falters, it hurts the whole. Never mind the fact so much of the middle parts of most of the seasons of those shows are so padded out and drags everything down.
I think using the term 'worst season' can certainly apply to the arc heavy shows.
I will personally disagree though I see your point quite strongly. However, in my experience, the season long arc and the middles slumping are not new experiences for me. I certainly felt that way with "Daredevil" for example, long before I watched Discovery. I can usually find pieces or episodes within that I truly and very much enjoyed even if the overall season was weaker.
To me, and only me, "Worst of" means "I won't watch it ever again. Which, while I can say that about something like ENTERPRISE or PICARD Season 2 for the majority of it, I certainly can't say there are not parts I do not enjoy. So, I don't have that drag down effect.
I think Season 2 is the worst season of Picard... but that sounds misleading, because I give the entire season an 8.1. So, I'll say it's my "least favorite" season of Picard instead. I gave S1 a 9.1 and S3 a 9.2.
As it turns out, I actually like two out of three seasons of Picard better than any season of Discovery (I rated all of those somewhere in the 8-point-something range).
I'm pretty sure all of that goes into the Controversial Opinion column.
As it turns out, I actually like two out of three seasons of Picard better than any season of Discovery (I rated all of those somewhere in the 8-point-something range).
I'm pretty sure all of that goes into the Controversial Opinion column.
It might also be as simple as which story style you prefer. Arc heavy is honestly not my thing because it relies too heavily on every piece working well. Loose arcs within episodic seems to be my favorite, like how DS9 did it. (Or a more modern example, SUPERNATURAL. Each season had its own arc, and many episodes within it moved the arc along, but there was enough breathing room to have excellent standalones.)
I can see why your definition of 'worst of' works for yourself and others, but I have rarely considered 'worst of' to mean I will never watch it again. I'm usually very forgiving and can find something I like in even the worst episodes, with very few exceptions... probably less episodes than I have fingers on one hand. Something has to be radically outside my field of enjoyment for me to say, "I will never watch it again".
I think Season 2 is the worst season of Picard... but that sounds misleading, because I give the entire season an 8.1. So, I'll say it's my "least favorite" season of Picard instead. I gave S1 a 9.1 and S3 a 9.2.
As it turns out, I actually like two out of three seasons of Picard better than any season of Discovery (I rated all of those somewhere in the 8-point-something range).
I'm pretty sure all of that goes into the Controversial Opinion column.
Except for how you rated PICARD season 3, I think your entire post might be a controversial opinion.
So, well done.
Having seen both the first and second seasons of PIC, I like both, but I will note that s2 manages to avoid gratuitous (and graphic) eye-screams.
Here's a controversial TrekLit opinion: I regard Vonda McIntyre's Enterprise: The First Adventure as much superior to her The Entropy Effect, so much so that I regard Enterprise: The First Adventure, rather than The Entropy Effect, as her Star Trek masterpiece.
Here's a controversial TrekLit opinion: I regard Vonda McIntyre's Enterprise: The First Adventure as much superior to her The Entropy Effect, so much so that I regard Enterprise: The First Adventure, rather than The Entropy Effect, as her Star Trek masterpiece.
I am perhaps less judicious with things that do not work for me. If it didn't work, regardless of the intent of the piece then I'll likely not go back. It can be characters or arcs but if it fails to connect it just falls off the radar.
Because of that I'm much less likely to try multiple new things. Things like ENTERPRISE I will revisit a handful of episodes, maybe, while Discovery and TOS I will revisit far more often, even if it is just clips of different episodes or arcs that I find enjoyable.
The things I like I am usually all in on, while if something is in the "worst of category" it does not get a second chance.
Do. There's a lot of good stuff in there and they really stuck the landing.
DSC Season 4 is by far the strongest season of the entire series and had a far more satisfying conclusion than either PIC Season 2 or either show's Season 3.
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