I'm not counting DS9, as Berman was largely 'hands off' as far as that show went, but as far as TNG, VOY and ENT go, I think ENT is the superior show.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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It's an early case of writers freaking out when they realized that the fan base was stanning for a Nazi-stand in. They hated that there was a "Dukat did nothing wrong" contingent on Usenet and thus overcompensated in attempt to assassinate his character.
It still fits with his narcissistic personality. Even before "WALTZ", he was despicable... always having his own personal Bajoran 'comfort woman', his creepy mind game with Kira in his office in "A TIME TO STAND", his speech to Weyoun about 'forcing people to acknowledge your greatness' in "SACRIFICE OF ANGELS"... the list just goes on and on.
My understanding was the writers made this course correction earlier: when Dukat had the Cardassians join the Dominion.
Having him go crazy was either a further course correction, or that's what they came up with for what to do with Dukat since they didn't want to get rid of the character after Sisko took back DS9.
Yup. I remember those days very well.
Anyway, I believe the best way to end Dukat's arc would be to give him Damar's arc on the surface, but make it clear that he was never actually redeemed, and just decided that portraying himself as the "hero of Cardassia" was his ticket to finally getting the respect he deserved.
Then he got murked, and Garak had to pretend he was some great martyr, and that he'd help to cement his legacy.
I think it would have said something profound about sometimes, awful people are made into saints after their death. That the truth gets lost in the shuffle of history.
Then he got murked, and Garak had to pretend he was some great martyr, and that he'd help to cement his legacy.
I think it would have said something profound about sometimes, awful people are made into saints after their death. That the truth gets lost in the shuffle of history.
He was, until that cartoonish, Pah Wraith/Sleeping with Kai Wynn bullshit.
"Character assassination" is always a cartoonish description in and of itself but it's true Dukat got a lot more silly and one-dimensional as a villain after "Waltz(DS9)." There's some good Dukat stuff in the final season but almost none of it is as good as the character's pre-"Waltz" storylines.
Dukat going comic book bad guy and wearing red contact lenses was just the price we had to pay to get the final confrontation with the Pah Wraiths and Sisko joining the Wormhole Prophets in the Celestial Temple.
Dukat going comic book bad guy and wearing red contact lenses was just the price we had to pay to get the final confrontation with the Pah Wraiths and Sisko joining the Wormhole Prophets in the Celestial Temple.
Pike's hair isn't any more "trendy" than Sisko's shaved head and goatee combo on DS9. It's easy to forget now, but the bald/goatee style used to be considered a more trendy and edgy look back in the mid-'90s.
So much so that they didn't let him have it.
I don't like there being ships other than the Enterprise being given letters after their registries.
I've always felt this was something supremely special. An honour. A one time deal.
But now we've got multiple ships in the late 24th, early 25th and the 32nd centuries that have letters up the wazoo.
Kinda diminished it, in my opinion.
I've always felt this was something supremely special. An honour. A one time deal.
But now we've got multiple ships in the late 24th, early 25th and the 32nd centuries that have letters up the wazoo.
Kinda diminished it, in my opinion.
I know about that. But in the '80s and a good amount of the '90s, it was considered an edgy look.
I watched a few episodes of Spencer for Hire in reruns on Cable TV in the '90s. I was too young to watch it when it first aired, I would've been in bed by the time it was on, but my father watched some of it. When DS9 premiered, and my father saw Sisko, the first thing he said was, "I've seen him somewhere before... " but he couldn't figure out where it was.
When I was a kid, in the '80s, I was allowed to stay up to watch ALF during Primetime and that was it. Meanwhile, my parents watched MacGyver in the other room.
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I’d say it makes the worldbuilding more expansive. It feels very parochial to have the Enterprise be the centre of the ST universe.
I'm afraid to see what letter the Enterprise would be up to in Discovery or Starfleet Academy.
USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-NN
41st Federation Starship to bear the name.
USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-NN
41st Federation Starship to bear the name.
I've always assumed that no one making TV has enough time in the day left over, to watch TV, which is why Voyagers Writers room didn't know that the Cardassians and the Federation were allies, and their take on Seska did not jibe with DS9.
To be fair to the VOY writers, the Federation and the Cardassians were never allies.
They had a treaty that ended their conflict, but that's a long way from being an actual ally.
Seska being a Maquis plant and spying matches the Cardassians' M.O. perfectly.
They were convivial.
Janeway was sent to kill Chakotay to appease the Cardassians.
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