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We need a new TV series taking place during ST VI: The Undiscovered Country

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Think about it.

  1. The visual aesthetic is awesome. It has all the retro class of the original series but with real-life set design and special effects. It still captures the romantic, naval, Napoleonic ethos that was established by Nicholas Meyer. The unforms are friggen awesome. The ship designs (Excelsior class, Constitution refit, Miranda, etc.) are great.

  2. We only got to see this world for a few films. We got the original series, which has great storytelling and characters but is in a dated (though still charming) environment, and then we jumped right into the 24th century with TNG. The 23rd century hasn't gotten the full treatment yet.

  3. Prequels will only disappoint: This is because everyone has an imagination of how they see that things came to be. This approach avoids all that.

  4. there's tons of storytelling material: the Klingons are new allies, but an uneasy one. The Romulans are still a mysterious force and they imerge as the main rival (like the Dominion in DS9). And here again there is so much in Romulan culture that can be fleshed out and explored.
If memory serves, there was a lot of talk several years ago about there being a TV show about Star Trek: Excelsior starring Takei as Sulu, to which Takei was quotes as wanting to do. That would have been great.

If the emphasis is on character and story, if action and special effects are greatly scalled back and more of a focus is on adventure and diplomacy, and if it were run right, it is exactly the kind of thing to really bring back Star Trek into the popular imagination and bring a new golden age like the time of the late 80s and 90s.

What are your guys thoughts?
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the Post-TUC Era. The TOS Movie Era is my favorite. I initially thought DSC was going to take place then.

I feel like Post-TUC/Pre-TNG is a compromise between "TOS Trek" and "TNG Trek". And it would fill in a period that's basically like a long-stretch of nothing, as it is right now. The Lost Era's like a long strip of Midwest Road in the middle of America.
 
A Section 31 series needs this backdrop for the main sequence.

All the tech we saw from TOS winds up there.

The TMP transporter accident, Praxis, the Hobus Supernova….all surviving Cartwright.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the Post-TUC Era. The TOS Movie Era is my favorite. I initially thought DSC was going to take place then.

I feel like Post-TUC/Pre-TNG is a compromise between "TOS Trek" and "TNG Trek". And it would fill in a period that's basically like a long-stretch of nothing, as it is right now. The Lost Era's like a long strip of Midwest Road in the middle of America.

Yeah, a series set during this lost era would be fantastic. The transition from the Kirk-style Starfleet to the Picard-style Starfleet alone has so many possibilities.
 
Wouldn't this series still be a prequel? After all it takes place before TNG and all other 24th century shows. Of course, really anything that's not in the 32nd century is technically a prequel now anyway.
Yes but, for the first time, not a Pre-TOS Prequel. Which means the 1960s look of TOS would no longer be a point of argument.

Something sandwiched between the Late-TOS Movie Era and the TNG Era is less likely to be changed in any dramatic way. Especially since the people designing these shows seem to love the look of the TOS Movie Era anyway.

The worst you'd get is, "When did they make First Contact with this species or that species?"

EDITED TO ADD:
anything that's not in the 32nd century is technically a prequel now anyway.

For now, I'm still calling it The Future. ;)
 
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If memory serves, there was a lot of talk several years ago about there being a TV show about Star Trek: Excelsior starring Takei as Sulu, to which Takei was quotes as wanting to do. That would have been great.
I'm not sure it was actually pitched to anyone, but I already hate it for having Spock as a shitty absentee father. Link here.
 
A show set a year or two after TUC would be pretty frigging cool, for the reasons OP mentioned.
Both Starfleet veterans and the UFP getting used to Klingons as allies leads to many good story telling options.

But I've always been really curious about a show set around 2190. A Federation that is still very young, species learning to work together and get used to all these cultures. Colonies being set up, both part of the Federation but also those that actually want to leave it and become unallied colonies.
 
I don't know about we need anything in that era, but I think it would be cool to return to it. It's a nice aesthetic, pretty much my favourite of the franchise. It had a pretty solid oncreen presence from 1982-1994 but I think it's day is done for a while. It turns up a lot in fan films and that's enough for me.
 
The visual aesthetic is awesome.
That would be updated if they made a show set in that era, they would never do a show that looks straight out of the 90s.

If memory serves, there was a lot of talk several years ago about there being a TV show about Star Trek: Excelsior starring Takei as Sulu, to which Takei was quotes as wanting to do. That would have been great.
Takei was the only one talking about it, a Sulu show was never considered. But if it happened it would have failed, we all saw Voyager's Flashback, Takei was not good in it.
 
The post-TUC era has a lot of story potential, and it pretty much a blank page other than in terms of where we all know it ends up. I can’t see it being appealing to the casual viewer, however, and I can’t see there being any official Trek series ever using that timeframe.
 
The post-TUC era has a lot of story potential, and it pretty much a blank page other than in terms of where we all know it ends up. I can’t see it being appealing to the casual viewer, however, and I can’t see there being any official Trek series ever using that timeframe.
They'll do a Picard prequel eventually. That's how and why we'd see this era. The writer's room will increasingly become made up of people who grew up with TNG instead of TOS.
 
Think about it.

  1. The visual aesthetic is awesome. It has all the retro class of the original series but with real-life set design and special effects. It still captures the romantic, naval, Napoleonic ethos that was established by Nicholas Meyer. The unforms are friggen awesome. The ship designs (Excelsior class, Constitution refit, Miranda, etc.) are great.

  2. We only got to see this world for a few films. We got the original series, which has great storytelling and characters but is in a dated (though still charming) environment, and then we jumped right into the 24th century with TNG. The 23rd century hasn't gotten the full treatment yet.

  3. Prequels will only disappoint: This is because everyone has an imagination of how they see that things came to be. This approach avoids all that.

  4. there's tons of storytelling material: the Klingons are new allies, but an uneasy one. The Romulans are still a mysterious force and they imerge as the main rival (like the Dominion in DS9). And here again there is so much in Romulan culture that can be fleshed out and explored.

1. They definitely nailed the sets' look in 1979 and made augments since. Would they have done more had LED strip lighting and other shiny distracting bling existed? Perhaps. Perhaps not. It's easy to fathom examples for both options. Meyer was spot-on with uniform choices. It was also good they eschewed the RGB motif, which was great in 1966 when RGB color TV sets were new, but TOS wasn't too strict with uniform color designations (engineering people had blue at times, some security had yellow, etc) and I was disappointed initially in 1987 with the return of RGB. At least they didn't go CMYK-upchuck like the 6th Doctor's costume, though I warmed to that fast enough as well. But that's another story.

2. Good point. So much is left open to interpretation by the viewer, if desired. "Yesterday's Enterprise" fills in some of the gap with a critical event. "Generations", despite being a po-faced self-parody with the 1701-B scenes and even getting Stuart Bondek there playing it serious (thankfully), also fleshes out another gap - albeit via the beginning of a ship's run, rather than its last voyage.

3. Good point, but it also depends on the scripting for the gaps being filled. More detail has to be paid attention to. Look at "Rogue One" - they turned a 20 second bit of exposition from the miracle known as "Star Wars" into a 2 hour film. One whose ending doesn't begin to mesh with the (1977 original/chapter 4/ANH/etc) film due to anachronous technological improvements in the immediate prequel to ANH's events. (With the prequel trilogy, one can swallow the idea that the paradigm shift in the Empire's creation led to a different aesthetic and reduction of technology, scale of troops, etc. Probably. )

4. Except we all know the Klingons will be allies in TNG. We already had a great episode with "Heart of Glory", which kept a shroud of mystery while keeping a dichotomy going with success. I'd argue it'd be more difficult to slip on a banana peel than to write a prequel fleshing out the post-TUC events without screwing up the major elements in TNG. Smaller things aren't an issue, but the main points are key to keep consistent. I know that reading novels is passe, but if you're reading a 16-chapter book and chapter 6 contradicts chapter 2, and chapter 14 just rewrites what was already done in chapters 4-6, how would you feel?

If memory serves, there was a lot of talk several years ago about there being a TV show about Star Trek: Excelsior starring Takei as Sulu, to which Takei was quotes as wanting to do. That would have been great.

I remember the rumors vaguely and, at the time, would have preferred it to VOY. The same challenges would still exist, but VOY was decided on because - in part - they wouldn't have to risk mucking up major continuity as it'd be easier to move forward. Also considering "Flashback" and how many of the cast sleepwalked through it and all while inserting characters who shouldn't be there*, it may have been for the best...

* Unless Tuvok, whom I grew to like more than Spock, was imagining his being on the Excelsior rather than misremembering things due to the effects of the nebula's plotdeviceium and treknobabbleium... never mind Janeway's bizarre speech at the end.

If the emphasis is on character and story, if action and special effects are greatly scalled back and more of a focus is on adventure and diplomacy, and if it were run right, it is exactly the kind of thing to really bring back Star Trek into the popular imagination and bring a new golden age like the time of the late 80s and 90s.

Possibly. There's still the risk of relying on nostalgia excessively. Lower Decks skates on it at times, but it had wisely built up its own story in the process and uses the callbacks for comedic intent, rather than empty mimicry.
 
FWIW, if the original Fuller version of Discovery had been produced, an anthology set in different time zones with subsequent USS Discoveries, I reckon we’d have seen the post-TUC era at some point in that hypothetical series. What could’ve been…
 
FWIW, if the original Fuller version of Discovery had been produced, an anthology set in different time zones with subsequent USS Discoveries, I reckon we’d have seen the post-TUC era at some point in that hypothetical series. What could’ve been…
I'm not sure it was supposed to be "different USS Discoveries." Indeed, some sources claim the proposed second season of this anthology series ended up becoming the first season of Picard.
 
If memory serves, there was a lot of talk several years ago about there being a TV show about Star Trek: Excelsior starring Takei as Sulu, to which Takei was quotes as wanting to do. That would have been great.

Would it have been great though, really?

I recall the only person who was desperately keen for it to happen was Takei himself.

I can't imagine that a show led by a hammy, near geriatric D-Lister would have set the world on fire.
 
I would not want to touch Star Trek with a 10-foot, no, make that a 100-foot pole. Why? Because I wouldn't want my work compared to a dead guy's. I'd also do what I'd want to do, which would make both old-school and new-school fans mad at me at the same time.

Not my favorite type of masochism.
 
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