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Is the new story being told actually better than the old story that would be contradicted by it?
What old story? Except when a new episode explicitly rewrites the events of a specific original episode, such as what "A Quality of Mercy" did in relation to "Balance of Terror," except that in that case the rewritten events took place explicitly in an alternate timeline, there is no old story to contradict. Note that backstory is not the same as story. Also, a hypothetical attempt to transpose the events of an SNW episode into TOS is also not an "old story". Rather, it would be an episode that never was, in other words, not a story either in or of TOS.
 
What old story? Except when a new episode explicitly rewrites the events of a specific original episode, such as what "A Quality of Mercy" did in relation to "Balance of Terror," except that in that case the rewritten events took place explicitly in an alternate timeline, there is no old story to contradict. Note that backstory is not the same as story. Also, a hypothetical attempt to transpose the events of an SNW episode into TOS is also not an "old story". Rather, it would be an episode that never was, in other words, not a story either in or of TOS.
That was a general question I posed, directed at Akiva Goldsman's attitude in general. If that's his storytelling philosophy, then I'm not on the same page with him as a viewer.
 
That was a general question I posed, directed at Akiva Goldsman's attitude in general.
Fine, but a question about something nonexistent cannot be answered definitively. In order to pose a meaningful question, the terms it is stated in must make sense. Hence my question: what old story?
 
Fine, but a question about something nonexistent cannot be answered definitively. In order to pose a meaningful question, the terms it is stated in must make sense. Hence my question: what old story?
The story of the Gorn being thoughtful, having their own point-of-view, and taking actions that can be understandable. As Kirk came to realize at the end of "Arena" and thus the reason why the Metrons chose to spare him.

That old story. The one where the Metrons call Humanity still half-savage, but maybe that'll change in 1,000 years. A common Roddenberry trope, but it's there.
 
The story of the Gorn being thoughtful, having their own point-of-view, and taking actions that can be understandable. As Kirk came to realize at the end of "Arena" and thus the reason why the Metrons chose to spare him.

That old story. The one where the Metrons call Humanity still half-savage, but maybe that'll change in 1,000 years. A common Roddenberry trope, but it's there.
I'm not following. The Gorn have been explicitly described in SNW season 1 as thoughtful, having their own point of view, and taking actions that can be understandable.
 
I'm not following. The Gorn have been explicitly described in SNW season 1 as thoughtful, having their own point of view, and taking actions that can be understandable.
I haven't watched the episode in over a year. I've seen every episode of SNW exactly once.

But, then why does Akiva say this, "But when I was writing the pilot, I was looking for something that was just monstrous, that was Cthulhu-like. Something that was unthinking. Our shows are empathy generators and I wanted to have an element which was in relief of that. I wanted something that you couldn’t identify with, something that was utterly alien, something that was all appetite and instinct in ways that we couldn’t quite understand." His exact words.
 
This takes me back to the ENT Forum days, when there was another prequel Star Trek show that wasn't a favorite of mine. :p

The first two seasons of DSC -- as it turns out -- were the exception, as far as Prequel Trek shows go for me, not the rule.
 
I haven't watched the episode in over a year. I've seen every episode of SNW exactly once.

But, then why does Akiva say this, "But when I was writing the pilot, I was looking for something that was just monstrous, that was Cthulhu-like. Something that was unthinking. Our shows are empathy generators and I wanted to have an element which was in relief of that. I wanted something that you couldn’t identify with, something that was utterly alien, something that was all appetite and instinct in ways that we couldn’t quite understand." His exact words.
Kirk's epiphany is still in the future. So is the potential for peace that Spock and McCoy implied might be possible through diplomacy. We're still in the part of the story where the Gorn are monsters.
 
Anyway, just to be clear, so no one gets the wrong idea: I don't think Strange New Worlds is a bad series. "Not my favorite" doesn't translate into "I think this is shit!" So I don't want to leave anyone with that impression. When it does something I agree with, I stick up for it. When they have an episode I like, I say so. [EDITED TO ADD: For example, I just gave the latest episode a 9 out of 10.] Where there are parts I like in episodes where I didn't love it overall, I point those parts out. I just don't agree with some of Akiva Goldsman's views. I feel like I'm more on the same page with Terry Matalas than Akiva Goldsman, but that's not exactly a headline.

Only the facts that I like Discovery so much and don't like Enterprise keep me from fully being in the "Terry Trekker" Camp. I cringe whenever they say, "Picard Season 3 is the best Star Trek since 2005!"
 
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Anyway, just to be clear, so no one gets the wrong idea: I don't think Strange New Worlds is a bad series. "Not my favorite" doesn't translate into "I think this is shit!" So I don't want to leave anyone with that impression. When it does something I agree with, I stick up for it. When they have an episode I like, I say so. [EDITED TO ADD: For example, I just gave the latest episode a 9 out of 10.] Where there are parts I like in episodes where I didn't love it overall, I point those parts out. I just don't agree with some of Akiva Goldsman's views. I feel like I'm more on the same page with Terry Matalas than Akiva Goldsman, but that's not exactly a headline.

Only the facts that I like Discovery so much and don't like Enterprise keep me from fully being in the "Terry Trekker" Camp. I cringe whenever they say, "Picard Season 3 is the best Star Trek since 2005!"
What’s wrong with you, man? You know such nuance is not allowed in the hallowed halls of Trekdom. ;)
 
I've been thinking about this, and here's my takeaway. If "storytelling beats canon", then, it has to be asked:

  1. Is the new story being told actually better than the old story that would be contradicted by it?
  2. Is it impossible to tell this new story without said contradiction?

If the answers to both of those questions are "No", then what he says sounds good, but he's really just being lazy. I'd feel differently if I was giving SNW episodes all 9s and 10s out of 10. But that's not the case.

So, as far as I'm concerned, Akiva Goldsman's stance cuts both ways. If he thinks he can tell a better story by contradicting others, then I hope he realizes that one day some other Showrunner could decide to do the same with his stories and contradict those.

I would suspect he'd be fine with that. In my experience, most professional writers are not nearly so precious about continuity and canon as fandom, and most of them extend the professional courtesy of understanding that future writers will also be under immense pressure both to produce a show on time and on budget, and to reflect at least something of their own creative vision. Goldsman seems like the kind of guy who would accept that turnabout is fair play -- if he gets to retcon past writers, future writers will get to retcon him if they want.

this is why I don’t understand why they don’t embrace the “alternate universe” idea.

Probably a couple reasons:

1) There is already one alternate ST timeline in the Kelvin Timeline. Adding yet another alternate timeline just needlessly complicates things for new fans.

2) No matter what choice they make, someone will yell at them for it. If they set it in an alternate timeline, someone will be upset that they abandoned the Prime Timeline. (And potential new fans risk being so confused by the different timelines as to be alienated and turn it off.) If they set it in the Prime Timeline and get super-strict about continuity, they'll get a lot of people upset that they're re-creating the production values of the 1960s -- and possibly the social values of the 1960s, if they were to interpret strict continuity as depicting women in the same sexualized, marginalized way TOS did. They'd also have people upset that they're leaving storytelling possibilities on the table. If they do what they've done, which is set it in the Prime Timeline but not be super-strict about visual continuity, continuity of character personality, or strict story continuity, people will be (are) upset. It's a no-win scenario.

So they go with what they want to do: Tell stories about the Enterprise, the same Enterprise we saw in TOS, in their own way.

The story of the Gorn being thoughtful, having their own point-of-view, and taking actions that can be understandable. As Kirk came to realize at the end of "Arena" and thus the reason why the Metrons chose to spare him.

That old story. The one where the Metrons call Humanity still half-savage, but maybe that'll change in 1,000 years. A common Roddenberry trope, but it's there.

I haven't watched the episode in over a year. I've seen every episode of SNW exactly once.

But, then why does Akiva say this, "But when I was writing the pilot, I was looking for something that was just monstrous, that was Cthulhu-like. Something that was unthinking. Our shows are empathy generators and I wanted to have an element which was in relief of that. I wanted something that you couldn’t identify with, something that was utterly alien, something that was all appetite and instinct in ways that we couldn’t quite understand." His exact words.

I'm not convinced that there's a contradiction there. Sure, in the context of one episode the Gorn we saw weren't thoughtful and were just pure predation. But we still don't know much of anything about the Gorn lifecycle or Gorn culture. For all we know, the apparent Gorn we saw in "All Those Who Wander" might have been genetically engineered bio-weapons that got out of control from their Gorn keepers. Or for all we know, Gorn start out as murderous killing machines and then develop intelligence and a conscience later in their lifecycles.
 
Also, pretty much any contradiction can be explained. (The thing with the Klingons, for example.) Doesn't HAVE to be explained, but a writer who's keen on doing so can come up with interesting stuff.

Like the Coda trilogy, for example.

Yep. Star Trek has always been full of contradictions, yet fandom has always been able to rationalize them.
 
New controversial opinion: I think that for TNG-R they should have done the same thing they did for TOS-R and digitally correct things where they had been limited by budget.

Things like digital set extensions would have helped cover over the umpteenth use of the “Planet Hell” and random cave sets, and replacing the 80s movie starship models so it didn’t look like Starfleet predominantly used the same three ships for 80+ years.
 
As much as I loved season 3 of Picard, I was never longing for a proper send-off for the TNG crew. Nemesis may not have been the ideal way to end their story, but, I was fine with it. Everyone seemed to be expecting there to be an ending akin to The Undiscovered Country and when we didn't get that, were crying foul for the last two decades.

Season 3 was fine and I'm glad we got it, but, I'm truly sick and tired of this cast. I absolutely do not want more TNG content beyond this. I know they keep hinting at a movie, but, stop. Enough. Time to move on.
 
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