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Kirk drift—misremembering a character…

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TOS may have had him have a dalliance with a woman or two, but it cemented that he is married to his ship, his one true love. Peter David nailed this in the second volume of the DC Star Trek comic set post-TFF, where he's talking to McCoy and mentions wanting comfort of the female variety. McCoy questions this and Kirk goes on about how great this female makes him feel, deciding the two of them should go to her, with McCoy arguing he's not needed. Cut to a splash page of them headed towards the Enterprise, with McCoy commenting, "Jim, this wasn't exactly what I meant."

The thing is, even the movies didn't portray him as a womanizer. For the span of 6 movies the closest we get to Kirk and a woman are Carol (where it's made clear he doesn't want to reignite that flame and neither does she), Gillian (played very chaste), and Martia (who, before the shapeshifter reveal, was more flirting to get what she wanted than anything).

So, yeah, there have been women, but his ship (and by extension his career) have always mattered to him more. This has been arguably his most consistent trait.
 
Would if he did send her away, but I don't think so, according to the episode. The lamp burning down is a well-understood trope, meaning "and then things happened of a romantic nature that we can't show on screen for prudish reasons or common decency".

That doesn't mean anything. Look at "Mirror, Mirror." Kirk could have bagged Marlena Moreau without even trying, but he declined her sexual invitation for obvious ethical reasons.

There is no way he had sex with a slave whose "consent" was involuntary. The lamp indicated the passage of hours, and then Claudius Marcus just assumed that every man is a pig like himself.
 
That doesn't mean anything. Look at "Mirror, Mirror." Kirk could have bagged Marlena Moreau without even trying, but he declined her sexual invitation for obvious ethical reasons.

There is no way he had sex with a slave whose "consent" was involuntary. The lamp indicated the passage of hours, and then Claudius Marcus just assumed that every man is a pig like himself.
There are enough times throughout the series where we’ve seen Kirk shirtless, and yet in “Bread And Circuses” he’s fully clothed when he is awakened by Claudius. Just having Kirk shirtless could have been a much stronger indication he had slept with Drusilla.
 
There is no way he had sex with a slave whose "consent" was involuntary. The lamp indicated the passage of hours, and then Claudius Marcus just assumed that every man is a pig like himself.

If there was really no way, it would have been very easy to show that and remove any doubt. What happened, though, was an editorial choice that was commonly used for two people "spending the night together," with all that implied. It's ambiguous at best.
 
People can assume what they want about Kirk and the woman of the week. Leaving room for interpretation allows room for creativity for future writers.

If you only ever see Kirk speaking with a particular woman in the company of others, and then there's a scene where they go into a room together, followed by another scene where they leave that room, you could imagine that they actually know each other from before, but are pretending not to, for covert or "let's-not-make-it-awkward" reasons. Therefore they might have spent the whole time in there speaking of their past relationship (not necessarily romantic; perhaps in a covert mission).
 
When it comes to Kirk's love life, we need to remember the limitations imposed on old-time movies and TV when it came to actually showing or stating outright that two characters have sex. Nowadays, if two characters hook up on TV, there's no need to be coy about it or expect the audience to use their imagination. "You slept with Dmitri? No way!"

But viewers of an earlier generation understood what a discreet fade to black meant, even if the shows were obliged to maintain a degree of plausible reliability. We didn't need to be shown the couple relaxing in bed afterwards to fill in the blanks.

So I think that sometimes modern viewers tend to underestimate just how many times Kirk was implied to have had sex on TOS simply because they're looking for concrete confirmation of a sort that rarely happened back in the day.

If a scene ends with Kirk in a passionate clinch with Lenora or Shahna or whomever, the fact that we don't literally see him pulling on his boots afterwards doesn't mean that sex wasn't implied, albeit vaguely enough to appease the censors.
 
I would encourage any who think they know Kirk to rewatch TOS, not TMP or TWOK, which feels very different to TOS.

The change in TMP? I actually like it. He's bitter and he's out of touch after two years behind a desk. It really resonates that Kirk is a human being, and we all change (sometimes not for the better) as we age.
 
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The change in TMP? I actually like it. He's bitter and he's out of touch after two years behind a desk. It really resonates that Kirk is a human being, and we all change (sometimes not for the better) as we age.
And by the end of the film Kirk is himself again.
 
The change in TMP? I actually like it. He's bitter and he's out of touch after two years behind a desk. It really resonates that Kirk is a human being, and we all change (sometimes not for the better) as we age.
I've warmed to it. At the time I watched TMP I thought it sucked and I still find it a bit too far, and repetitive in TWOK.

Is it understandable from a human perspective? Certainly. Is it enjoyable? Not the least bit in that film. Pike was more enjoyable in "The Cage."
 
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But viewers of an earlier generation understood what a discreet fade to black meant, even if the shows were obliged to maintain a degree of plausible reliability. We didn't need to be shown the couple relaxing in bed afterwards to fill in the blanks.
How many times would you say Kirk had sex during TOS?
 
A 34 year old seduced a 19 year old in order to get to her father. And that's just one example.

As a hero of his time though? Awesome. Modern lens? Problematic.

It's just one example because there aren't very many others. And with respect, it's inapt. Kirk suspected Lenore's involvement from the beginning, but the script and Shatner's acting choices clearly show that Kirk actually had feelings for her. I realize that the prevailing interpretation of "Conscience of the King" is as you describe, but it's really not a fair reading of the dialogue and Shatner's performance. And the entire final scene undermines the idea that Kirk was toying with Lenore:


MCCOY: Medical report. (hands it over) She'll receive the best of care, Jim. She remembers nothing. She even thinks her father's still alive giving performances before cheering crowds. You really cared for her, didn't you?

SPOCK: Ready to leave Benecia orbit, Captain.

KIRK: Stand by, Mister Leslie. All channels cleared, Uhura?

UHURA: All channels clear, sir.

KIRK: Whenever you're ready, Mister Leslie.

LESLIE: Leaving orbit, sir.

MCCOY: You're not going to answer my question, are you?

KIRK: Ahead warp factor one, Mister Leslie.

MCCOY: That's an answer.


Deela in "Wink of an Eye" and Miramanee in "The Paradise Syndrome" are the two certain times he did, that I can think of. There are times when it was implied, like "Bread and Circuses," where I do not think it happened. He sent Drusilla away for ethical reasons.

I agree with you on Drusilla, and there were severe extenuating circumstances with Miramanee. I do have to add Odona from "The Mark of Gideon," though. The implication that Kirk slept with her is virtually inescapable.

That's a whopping three women in three seasons - and all three, incidentally, in S3. Some of the "Kirk as womanizer" nonsense comes from people with fourth-hand knowledge of Kirk's past loves - Areel Shaw, Janet Wallace, the "little blonde lab technician," Ruth, and Janice Lester. Rayna, Shahna, and Edith Keeler also feed the beast. But none of that really proves anything.

As for Janeway dismissing Kirk, which I assume comes from "Flashback," I don't interpret that scene quite the same way either. Here it is:


JANEWAY: It was a very different time, Mister Kim. Captain Sulu, Captain Kirk, Dr. McCoy. They all belonged to a different breed of Starfleet officer. Imagine the era they lived in. The Alpha Quadrant still largely unexplored. Humanity on verge of war with Klingons. Romulans hiding behind every nebula. Even the technology we take for granted was still in its early stages. No plasma weapons, no multiphasic shields. Their ships were half as fast.

KIM: No replicators, no holodecks. You know, ever since I took Starfleet history at the academy, I always wondered what it would be like to live in those days.

JANEWAY: Space must have seemed a whole lot bigger back then. It's not surprising they had to bend the rules a little. They were a little slower to invoke the Prime Directive, and a little quicker to pull their phasers. Of course, the whole bunch of them would be booted out of Starfleet today. But I have to admit, I would have loved to ride shotgun at least once with a group of officers like that.


I think that Kate Mulgrew's acting in the scene conveys that she's teasing Harry - her greenest and most impressionable officer - with the over-the-top claim about "booted out of Starfleet." She was also probably trying to send a message to Harry that he should be careful until he reaches a position of more influence. But no Starfleet captain in Janeway's era would dismiss Kirk & Co., the literal saviors of Earth more than once, so cavalierly. And indeed, as a character Janeway displays Kirk's influence far more than Picard, Sisko, or Archer. I suspect that Braga, who wrote "Flashback," was indeed showing us a scene where Janeway told her junior bridge officer something in code but didn't really mean it, or he was just winking at the audience. The Kirk/Janeway parallels in the series are unmistakable, and it's not like Braga was a minor figure before or after "Flashback." The simplest answer may be that this was the 44th of 172 episodes, and Janeway's very Kirk-like tendencies evolved later.

Far sillier to me was the throwaway hallway dialogue by Dax and Sisko in DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations," where Sisko - who deeply admired Kirk - comments that he was a ladies' man and Dax rebuts with the tired trope of being more romantically interested in Spock. Yawn.
 
Having a reputation for something doesn't mean it's justified. Between personal opinion and the often-decreasingly-accurate grapevine, people will often take one notable feature of a person and exaggerate it until the person is beyond recognition.

Kirk also had a reputation as a demanding teacher at Starfleet Academy, according to Gary Mitchell and the upperclassman who tipped him off. Did we ever see an example of that play out on the Enterprise?
 
There is a similar discussion in a TOS group on Facebook. Someone posted this list. I think a few of these are still debatable.

Did Jim Kirk get his groove on in this episode?
1) Where No Man Has Gone Before = Maybe (It is not definitely established that Kirk and the “little blonde lab technician actually shtupped, though our Jim did almost marry the girl)
2) The Corbomite Maneuver = No
3) Mudd’s Women = No (Eve McHuron was supposed to try, but she stalled and crashed)
4) The Enemy Within = Inconclusive (Evil-Kirk might have gone back to Rand’s cabin after punching Fisher, but this is not actually shown, nor is it even really implied)
5) The Man Trap = No
6) The Naked Time = No
7) Charlie X = No
8) Balance of Terror = No
9) What Are Little Girls Made Of? = No (Do gynoids count? In any event, Kirk merely kissed Andrea)
10) Dagger of the Mind = No (Since Helen alters Kirk’s memory to suggest they DID fool around after the previous Christmas party, that means that they did NOT fool around after the previous Christmas party)
11) Miri = No
12) The Conscience of the King = No (Kirk pretends to flirt with Lenore to find out more about her father, but they never do the deed)
13) The Galileo Seven = No
14) Court Martial = Sort of (While nothing happens during the course of the episode, it is strongly implied that Kirk’s past relationship with Areel was not platonic)
15) The Menagerie, Part I = No
16) The Menagerie, Part II = No
17) Shore Leave = Probably yes (Again, do gynoids count? We will assume that they do. It is strongly implied that Kirk enjoyed his shore leave with “Ruth”)
18) The Squire of Gothos = No
19) Arena = No
20) The Alternative Factor = No
21) Tomorrow is Yesterday = No
22) The Return of the Archons = No
23) A Taste of Armageddon = No
24) Space Seed = No
25) This Side of Paradise = No
26) The Devil in the Dark = No
27) Errand of Mercy = No
28) The City on the Edge of Forever = Inconclusive (While Kirk is definitely in love with Edith, there is no actual evidence that the relationship was ever consummated)
29) Operation: Annihilate! = No
30) Catspaw = No
31) Metamorphosis = No
32) Friday’s Child = No
33) Who Mourns for Adonais? = No
34) Amok Time = No
35) The Doomsday Machine = No
36) Wolf in the Fold = No
37) The Changeling = No
38) The Apple = No
39) Mirror, Mirror = No (Kirk and Marlena look like they’re going to get close, but nothing actually happens—Mirror Kirk doesn’t count)
40) The Deadly Years = No (Janet tries, but Kirk ain’t having none of it)
41) I, Mudd = No
42) The Trouble with Tribbles = No
43) Bread and Circuses = Yes (The first definite yes of the series—it is definitely implied that Kirk “was a man”, in the words of the Proconsul, with Drusilla)
44) Journey to Babel = No
45) A Private Little War = No (A mugato intervenes before Nona can have her way with our Jimmy!)
46) The Gamesters of Triskelion = No (Kirk knocks Shahna out before it goes anywhere)
47) Obsession = No
48) The Immunity Syndrome = No
49) A Piece of the Action = No
50) By Any Other Name = No (Rojan keeps interrupting)
51) Return to Tomorrow = No (Even as Sargon, all Kirk gets is some smoochin’)
52) Patterns of Force = No
53) The Ultimate Computer = No
54) The Omega Glory – No
55) Assignment: Earth = No
56) Spectre of the Gun = No
57) Elaan of Troyius = Yes (It’s not actually shown but it seems certain that Kirk and Elaan did the horizontal tango!)
58) The Paradise Syndrome Yes (Very, very, very yes)
59) The Enterprise Incident = No
60) And the Children Shall Lead = No
61) Spock’s Brain = No (Kirk got the pain, but he didn’t get the delight)
62) Is There in Truth No Beauty? = No
63) The Empath = No
64) The Tholian Web = No
65) For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky = No
66) Day of the Dove = No
67) Plato’s Stepchildren = No
68) Wink of an Eye = Yes (Kirk and Deela are shown kissing; a few scenes later Kirk is putting his boots back on…..)
69) That Which Survives = No
70) Let That Be Your Last Battlefield = No
71) Whom Gods Destroy = No (Marta tries but quickly switches to mayhem & murder-oh well)
72) The Mark of Gideon = No (Odona gets sick before any hanky-panky can occur)
73) The Lights of Zetar = No
74) The Cloud Minders = No
75) The Way to Eden = No
76) Requiem for Methuselah = No (Kirk falls in love, but the gynoid Rayna dies before anything can come of it, for either Jim or Flint)
77) The Savage Curtain = No
78) All Our Yesterdays = No
79) Turnabout Intruder = No (Kirk does get to inhabit a female body, but NOT in the right sense!)

Summary:
Yes = 5 – 6.3%
Maybe = 4 –5.1%
No = 70 – 88.6%

Conclusion:
Jim doesn’t appear to be as oversexed as some people think!
 
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Some years ago someone did a breakdown.

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