What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Farscape One]

Kelvin Enterprise is the best.

UGH!!! The horrible look of the Kelvin Enterprise was the final straw on why I never watched '09 or INTO DARKNESS in the theater, and only decided to watch both right before BEYOND was released entirely because it was the anniversary and I wanted to see BEYOND in the theater... can't very well watch a third movie if I never saw the first two.

(And BEYOND was supremely better than both the other movies... combined.)

 

[fireproof78]

Just blow minds today (because Monday the 13th) I only own one model of an Enterprise currently.

It's a Kelvin Universe Enterprise.

 

[Farscape One]

Probably has been mentioned by others in the past, but I will share a possibly controversial opinion that I have felt for a while now...


We will never see a time like now in the franchise ever again. Five different shows on at once, and pretty much something for all types of fans. If a golden age of something is measured by the ability to deliver something to cater to a wide variety of fans within the same fanbase, then this is a true golden age for STAR TREK, and it is the first. And it will likely be the last.

No matter what anyone says about Kurtzman (and I certainly don't agree with some things he did), you have to give the man credit... he made a golden age of ST a reality.

 

[1001001]

I think so much of our appreciation of art and entertainment is based on the timing and circumstances of our exposure. What we were doing, who we were with, what was happening at that time.

Plenty of people here would say TOS/TOS Movies were the Golden Age.

I would say the Golden Age was TNG/DS9/VOY.

And yes, there are those who would say the Golden Age is now (and yeah, 5 shows at once is pretty awesome).

It’s all good.

 

[fireproof78]

I am always reluctant to declare something the "golden age" of anything. Any age can be golden if you appreciate it it more and more, rather than appreciating it after the fact. Certainly, even though TNG/DS9/VOY were not for me in terms of content, it was a golden age because that was my most activity in fan groups, costuming and RPGs and conventions. But, then 2009 came along and I thoroughly enjoyed that film because it spoke to me as a new father.

Then Discovery came about and I found myself reimagining so many facets of Trek that I had just taken for granted.

Yes, the output of shows is amazing, and I welcome it. I just think golden age is what you make of it.

 

[Sci]

Probably has been mentioned by others in the past, but I will share a possibly controversial opinion that I have felt for a while now...

We will never see a time like now in the franchise ever again. Five different shows on at once, and pretty much something for all types of fans. If a golden age of something is measured by the ability to deliver something to cater to a wide variety of fans within the same fanbase, then this is a true golden age for STAR TREK, and it is the first. And it will likely be the last.

No matter what anyone says about Kurtzman (and I certainly don't agree with some things he did), you have to give the man credit... he made a golden age of ST a reality.

Yeah, streaming television has been a bubble and the bubble is bursting. Star Trek will continue but Paramount+ is under too much pressure to cut costs and it's even odds whether the business model for single-studio streamers is sustainable. I doubt we'll ever see five Star Trek shows in production again. Long-term, I think we'll see a return to the days when there are two ST shows in production.

 

[Tallguy]

It's tough to argue against TNG / DS9 / TNG movies / Voyager as being "the golden age". It's not my FAVORITE age. But that was the closest that Trek has ever come to being "mainstream". Even the toys were good!

There are a lot of shows right now but with the possible exception of Picard they aren't in the public eye.

 

[tomalak301]

I wonder if age has anything to do with what we perceive as the golden age. I agree that having 5 series in production at once is unprecedented, but I still consider the 90s the golden era mainly because I was younger and I just thought everything on at the time was pretty cool. There is also the whole thing about being nostalgic for the past and maybe that's what I am, nostalgic for the past. Still, while I've had likes and dislikes about this current era, I can't complain about how much Trek we've seen. There really was something for everyone the variety was great. I don't think it was ever going to be sustainable.

 

[cooleddie74]

The '90s were indeed a Golden Era for Trek. Three different TV series on during the course of that decade and no fewer than four big budget theatrical movies, not to mention a slew of multimedia products like CD-ROM games. FC was a bona fide smash hit and less than five years before that TUC sent the classic TOS crew off with a bang in a film that was almost universally liked if not praised by both critics and the wider fanbase. Even the Kirk and Picard meetup in GEN was a major pop culture event that the entertainment media covered pretty extensively.

The 1990s were a good time to be a Trek fan!

 

[Guy Gardener]

UGH!!! The horrible look of the Kelvin Enterprise was the final straw on why I never watched '09 or INTO DARKNESS in the theater, and only decided to watch both right before BEYOND was released entirely because it was the anniversary and I wanted to see BEYOND in the theater... can't very well watch a third movie if I never saw the first two.

(And BEYOND was supremely better than both the other movies... combined.)

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[dmac]

A fair point about the real mechanics of overrating - although I do think in modern parlance "overrated" does now mean "bad"

Hopefully you'll let me off for being English - our equivalents are "saying something and getting punched in the face" or "saying something and getting punched in the face later"

I did a debut release on a pilot project at the Sci-fi convention in Scarborough. it was rather experimental and would have never been excepted here in the states the way it was across the pond.

 

[Sci]

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That video is incredibly mean-spirited.

 

[Oddish]

That video is incredibly mean-spirited.

And besides, Wile E. Coyote will tell you, Acme devices never work.

 

[drt]

It also shows that faux Elvis has zero class since Abrams was cool and actually put him in ST09.

 

[Farscape One]

I think so much of our appreciation of art and entertainment is based on the timing and circumstances of our exposure. What we were doing, who we were with, what was happening at that time.

Plenty of people here would say TOS/TOS Movies were the Golden Age.

I would say the Golden Age was TNG/DS9/VOY.

And yes, there are those who would say the Golden Age is now (and yeah, 5 shows at once is pretty awesome).

It’s all good.

My personal golden age is TNG/DS9/VGR era, for many reasons. I was 8 when TNG premiered, and Data became my science fiction idol. I identified with DS9 immediately, and Sisko is my favorite captain.

But I was trying to think outside of myself and be fair using a metric that is not so... 'me centered', for lack of a better term. Which is why I concluded the Kurtzman era can very easily be called the golden age.

(I think another way to think of a golden age is that it's an age that will never come again. While 90s ST has a very, very low probability of coming back, with 20+ episode seasons of 2 shows at once airing every year, I can bet money that five series being produced at the same time will never happen again.)

 

[Farscape One]

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YES!!! Excellent idea!!!

ACME for the win!!!

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Except it's clearly not Prime Kirk/Spock who do the job.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Except it's clearly not Prime Kirk/Spock who do the job.

But it clearly is the Prime Enterprise.

Is the size difference for real?

I had no idea!

 

[Farscape One]

Yep, the size difference is real.

Abrams turned the Enterprise into an ugly, gigantic hot rod.

 

[F. King Daniel]

She's a big girl. 725m over 289m for the original.

...and now SNW has their version of the original at 442m and it's supposed to be the very same ship and not an alternate version and the closer you look the less sense any of it makes...