Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"
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I never did buy the Picard children thing. It seemed like one of those shitty Season 1 ideas that should have been tossed in the trash like Data's creepy smirk or Troi's stupid bun. Admittedly, I was a kid at the time, and one without a dad, but I took "Family" (his easy rapport with Rene) and "Disaster" and "The Inner Light" as a sign that Picard had gotten beyond the I Do Not Get Along with Children idea, and wanted to embrace them, as seen in when he dreamed of John Connor in the Nexus. Referencing his feelings about children in Picard Season 1 was kind of annoying, and ultimately I still didn't buy it because he did have a rapport with Elnor before he decided to withdraw from everything.
As for Captain Picard Day, that was just a generally awkward situation, and Picard was often just very awkward in socializing. Remember, he never played poker for the 7 years of the show while even stick-in-the-mud Worf did.
As for Captain Picard Day, that was just a generally awkward situation, and Picard was often just very awkward in socializing. Remember, he never played poker for the 7 years of the show while even stick-in-the-mud Worf did.
The sad part is this season basically explains why he didn't get close to the crew. He goes to Riker for help, Riker takes the most illegal option possible for help, then puts Picard out of his comfort zone and then publicly chews Picard out when he's acting irrationally to a situation that Riker himself put him in. And as for Beverly, he opened himself to her and trusted her, and then she used those insecurities back at him to justify hiding his kid from him.
In real life, people don't get close because they're afraid of getting hurt. The Picard show basically undid in a few episodes 7 years of work getting Picard to come out of his shell, so to speak.
Man, it's sad when you put it that way. But I think you're pretty accurate in this description.
Any relation to Disco's sentient AI?
I wasn't a big fan of the movies' take on Marvel: Civil War, especially how it drastically simplified the much more complex feud in the comics. But they brought conflict between Iron Man and Captain America in a way that was believable and didn't seem to drastically alter either character. Cap hiding brainwashed Bucky's murder of Iron Man's parents is far more believable and understandable than Beverly hiding Jack here.
Even Stewart's own Professor X's conflict with Logan about how to handle Jean's powers in X-Men 3 was more believable than this, and that's considered the worst of the X-Men films. You could tell that Professor X really had no idea what else he could do other than place mental blocks in Jean's mind to reduce the potential damage done by her powers, while Logan is right that Xavier is presumptuous in going around messing with other people's minds, while Xavier points out he didn't have any other options. Here in Trek, we don't even see Riker or Picard try to hire a private ship first before uncharacteristically taking the most illegal option.
The above examples are conflicts and character developments that are done right, while what I've been seeing in Picard feels artificial and forced.
Funny. I found Civil War way more forced than Beverly and Jean Luc.
Picard S3 = Star Trek: Civil War?
For many years, Picard was the boss of all of these people.
When you're at work, you have to put on a front. You dare not reveal too much of your personal life (which is tough to do on a starship).
Now that JL is retired and powerless, his crew is a lot bolder than they were before.
To quote the intro to The Real World, Picard S3 is what happens when people stop being polite and start being real.
Well I would certainly hope that in my real world if I ask my friends for help, they don't rope me into doing something illegal and then publicly blame me when their illegal plot falls apart. To be fair, Picard should've put his foot down and refused to accompany Riker on the Titan once he realized what Riker was going to do.
Speaking of Worf, I'd watch this version as the lead of a spin-off. When Dorn was talking about a show called Captain Worf I was horrified. Glad that never panned out. I don't think I could stand "Today is a good day to die" as a response to all issues and challenges.
Um... Picard went to Riker. He didn't get roped in.
I hope next time I'm in trouble my friends can get a starship.
Now that most have seen the episode, Terry Matalas comes on to The Popcast to discuss this episode with The Critical Drinker, Dave Cullen, Nerdrotic, RMB, and a few other characters....This is like the version of 'Ready Room' from hell.
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Topics discussed are the Picard is a robot thing, the Picard/Bev relationship and how the Jack idea came into play, streaming-era Star Trek, nitpicks on the episode, Kirk's death in generations, etc.
He also discusses why 30-something Ed Speelers was cast to play Jack in his early 20s.
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Topics discussed are the Picard is a robot thing, the Picard/Bev relationship and how the Jack idea came into play, streaming-era Star Trek, nitpicks on the episode, Kirk's death in generations, etc.
He also discusses why 30-something Ed Speelers was cast to play Jack in his early 20s.
I would love to see Terry Matalas discuss all of those things, but I can't stand any of the people he's discussing them with.
He went to Riker to help Beverly. He *didn't* come up with the idea of an illegal method to do so. Riker did.