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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"
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The family moved to GB during WW2 , Picard was born 400 years later in France. Season 2 explained nothing, since accents are not inherited.
Could explain why he looked “off” in his natural form.
Pretty sure there was a line about the family only moving back to France centuries later. The accent wasn't inherited, it was what his parents spoke.
But that would require me rewatching Picard Season 2.
Pretty sure they just redesigned the FX.
Perhaps but they have been pretty good with the other stuff so far. There might be a reason for it
Sometimes I'm tempted to close the damn episode thread for a while so I can catch up... 
Worf's introduction:
I took Beverly's description of the many incidents that got in the way of her breaking the news of her pregnancy to Jean-Luc as being indication that in the movie era and beyond, the Enterprise was having the same sorts of weekly adventures/crises as it did when TNG was on the air...we just weren't seeing them.
Something to keep in mind about Jack attending school so close to France is that Beverly wasn't specific about how old he was when she told him. At that point, he may have known, and thus it would have been on him if he wanted to cross the channel to drop the bomb on his old man.
Sydney's opening line about her father being one of Starfleet's greatest engineers was horribly cringey. There was a more natural-sounding way to deliver the fanwankery that they didn't bother trying to find.
Riker basically did the same thing at the end that Shaw did last week with Seven--blamed somebody else for following their advice instead of taking ownership of his own command decision. I get what they were going for up to that point, with Picard and Riker's traditional roles reversed, but this appears to be a recurring weakness in the writing rather than the characters.
Worf's introduction:
I took Beverly's description of the many incidents that got in the way of her breaking the news of her pregnancy to Jean-Luc as being indication that in the movie era and beyond, the Enterprise was having the same sorts of weekly adventures/crises as it did when TNG was on the air...we just weren't seeing them.
Something to keep in mind about Jack attending school so close to France is that Beverly wasn't specific about how old he was when she told him. At that point, he may have known, and thus it would have been on him if he wanted to cross the channel to drop the bomb on his old man.
Sydney's opening line about her father being one of Starfleet's greatest engineers was horribly cringey. There was a more natural-sounding way to deliver the fanwankery that they didn't bother trying to find.
Riker basically did the same thing at the end that Shaw did last week with Seven--blamed somebody else for following their advice instead of taking ownership of his own command decision. I get what they were going for up to that point, with Picard and Riker's traditional roles reversed, but this appears to be a recurring weakness in the writing rather than the characters.
Picard was never meant to be TNG rehashed.
9/10 I didn't post before because I got sidetracked by the Discovery news.
Much better episode. Touching moment with Picard and Riker at the beginning.
Don't know how I feel about Dr. Crusher's actions. I don't think Picard was ever a constant target of assassination. Just when he took on the Romulan evacuation.
Vadic is now thinking with Portals. Nice to see Riker in command. The confrontation between him and Picard echoes the confrontation between Worf and Picard in First Contact, with TNG Action Movie Picard quick to label or insinuate those who are unwilling to fight are cowards. I think it's time for TNG Action Movie Picard to go away.
So rogue Changelings, seemingly disgruntled by the outcome of the Dominion War, are involved in this conspiracy. Are they the ring leaders, or are they just pawns of another baddie? Too bad Worf zapped that one Changeling he had in captivity, we could have gotten more info.
So nebula is probably some sort of lifeform. I thought I saw what looked like a solid structure at one point, and I'm sure it wasn't the Shrike as the Shrike emerged from a different part of the nebula from where I saw the structure.
Jack's vision? Double Rainbow? What does it all mean?
Well I'm hooked now that there's story happening.
Much better episode. Touching moment with Picard and Riker at the beginning.
Don't know how I feel about Dr. Crusher's actions. I don't think Picard was ever a constant target of assassination. Just when he took on the Romulan evacuation.
Vadic is now thinking with Portals. Nice to see Riker in command. The confrontation between him and Picard echoes the confrontation between Worf and Picard in First Contact, with TNG Action Movie Picard quick to label or insinuate those who are unwilling to fight are cowards. I think it's time for TNG Action Movie Picard to go away.
So rogue Changelings, seemingly disgruntled by the outcome of the Dominion War, are involved in this conspiracy. Are they the ring leaders, or are they just pawns of another baddie? Too bad Worf zapped that one Changeling he had in captivity, we could have gotten more info.
So nebula is probably some sort of lifeform. I thought I saw what looked like a solid structure at one point, and I'm sure it wasn't the Shrike as the Shrike emerged from a different part of the nebula from where I saw the structure.
Jack's vision? Double Rainbow? What does it all mean?
Well I'm hooked now that there's story happening.
Unless it was swept under the rug (and assuming the Enterprise-E was involved in the Dominion War), maybe the Founders discovered a lot of their losses came from two Jean-Luc Picards (one in the Federation, one being Shinzon in the Romulan fleet). Maybe they think being a "master strategist" is hereditary, and since Admiral Picard is retired, they're wanting to remove a potential thorn from their side in a reignited Dominion War
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I am fine with what Beverly did. I don't agree with it, but I get it. She was protecting her son. Yes, it is a bit thin to persist for 20 years. I mean, I think the Romulans had stopped sending assassins (until Daj & Soji, at least). But she didn't know that. It is not character assassination, geez.
The Picard/Riker stuff on the bridge was far dumber in my view. And to a lesser extent, Picard's blowing off Jack & then the 180 he does regarding attacking/fleeing.
The Raffi/Worf stuff was excellent.
The Picard/Riker stuff on the bridge was far dumber in my view. And to a lesser extent, Picard's blowing off Jack & then the 180 he does regarding attacking/fleeing.
The Raffi/Worf stuff was excellent.
The force is strong in his family.
I don't think it was out of line for what we previously saw of Changelings struggling due to having gone without rest for too long. The one in The Ship seemingly died from the effort.
I'm not kidding when I say I thought it died because of Inertial Damper failure (which I believe Dax said happened.)
Plus it seems like these Changelings haven't been able to link in a while, and definitely not with the Great Link. Raffi might not have been all that far off the mark after all when it came to thinking the dude was jonesing for something.
On top of that, The Great Link tends to be considered as "one" only. This is also the case of there also only being "one" female changeling for most of The Dominion War. It won't have occured to them that a portion of the link would effectively rebel against the idea of peace with the Solids (Despite Odo's experiences being added and understood) to people like the Federation.
There's a new interview about this episode with Terry Matalas that basically shows in perfect clarity why you leave fan fic to fan fic writers and shippers - they do a better job and their ideas make more sense.
So what he's basically saying is "I wrote this gigantic shipper fan fic and I am very well aware of the fact that of it doesn't make any sense but it's great television drama, so please ignore the glaring plot holes and how godawful a female character comes across for the sake of the story and also please stop reminding me of the fact that my idea makes no sense, at least not the way it was executed". Got it.
It's beyond me why people want for this guy to write more Star Trek. He's just a glorified fan fic writer, and not even a good one, at least not when he gets into shipper stuff. I have no love for the Picard/Crusher pairing and I don't write het fic but even I could write a story that makes more sense than this convoluted nonsense he came up with.
How on EARTH do you get pregnant in a time when contraception is a simple regular injection for both parties? BOTH. So, even if SHE had forgotten hers, what about Jean-Luc? Mister "I am the embodiment of responsibility"? Forgetting to apply the metaphorical condom before he goes on some shore leave thing with the woman he's been trying to have a relationship with for five times? Mister "I am afraid of being a father"? How about no? (Not to mention how freaking toxic this "five times" thing is. I get one time. Two times. But by the third time the whole relationship thing becomes extremely toxic. This is not romantic. It's toxic. I will let this pass tho because I've always thought of Picard/Crusher as a massively toxic gaslighting galore relationship so it makes sense to me that things would end up being this way. I will grant Matalas that, although it most likely wasn't his intention, it seems he was more trying to show that this is romantic in some twisted way.)
So no this makes no sense. Neither does her made-up reasoning for keeping Jack away - but then, like I just said, I've always viewed the relationship as filled with gaslighting, so, for her to now make up some weird excuse of "you were always away when I tried to tell you and then I just lost interest in telling you and you were always in danger" just makes it all worse. He wasn't in any danger anymore after he'd resigned from Starfleet. He was literally hanging out in France all year round. There was no reason for her to not seek him out. She didn't do it not because she was worried about Jack, she didn't do it because she simply didn't want to see Jean-Luc's face anymore. Just TELL him honestly that you didn't want for him to be involved in your life anymore and that you kept his son from him because it would have meant having to deal with him even more (Jean-Luc would no doubt have tried to be with her a sixth time because he would have felt responsible for her and the kid). This nonsensical "bad universe, danger, blah" reasoning makes her look GODAWFUL.
Not to mention the name she gave the kid. That in itself is one big pile of gaslighting - she names him after her deceased husband whose death the father of the kid agonized over and felt responsible for and incredibly guilty about. What in the WORLD? Who does something like that?
Also, she of all people should know that sometimes a son maybe just needs a father to confide in and how useful it can be if the father is around somewhere. Yes she told Jack who is father is and now conveniently claims that Jack didn't want to meet him. Of course he didn't, I bet she filled his head with all sorts of ideas how terrible Jean-Luc's life is and how many times he came close to dying and how he never wanted kids blah blah blah.
Speaking of which: Why are we STILL all forgetting that Jean-Luc literally raised two children? That he was an excellent father? But I digress, I've come to aceept by now that this show ignores "The Inner Light" because it just doesn't fit to the whole narrative. It would all crumble to dust in seconds. I have a massive urge to write in a character who just sticks his head into the room the next time someone whines or bangs on about Jean-Luc never got a chance to be a father (including himself, he seems to have forgotten all about it either, did he opt for a Vulcan mind meld treatment of "forget...."?) and who just says "by the way, Batai and Meribor say hi".
I guess what I'm saying is "please leave writing shipper stuff to the shippers". This is a prime example of "show made a relationship canon and it became a convoluted mess". It's funny because Matalas actually also names Mulder and Scully as an example of why he did this in the interview. THAT one turned into a huge mess as well once it was made canon because the writers messed around with things they should have left the hell alone. Please. For the love of everything. Leave the shipper stuff to the fic writers. They do a better job. And the necessary research. And they usually do things without assasinating characters for the sake of "great drama". THEY do their job out of love for a pairing. Not out of "ooooh great draaaamaaaaa".
tl;dr: Part of me hopes Crusher is a changeling along with her son but I doubt they're this smart about the whole thing.
So what he's basically saying is "I wrote this gigantic shipper fan fic and I am very well aware of the fact that of it doesn't make any sense but it's great television drama, so please ignore the glaring plot holes and how godawful a female character comes across for the sake of the story and also please stop reminding me of the fact that my idea makes no sense, at least not the way it was executed". Got it.
It's beyond me why people want for this guy to write more Star Trek. He's just a glorified fan fic writer, and not even a good one, at least not when he gets into shipper stuff. I have no love for the Picard/Crusher pairing and I don't write het fic but even I could write a story that makes more sense than this convoluted nonsense he came up with.
How on EARTH do you get pregnant in a time when contraception is a simple regular injection for both parties? BOTH. So, even if SHE had forgotten hers, what about Jean-Luc? Mister "I am the embodiment of responsibility"? Forgetting to apply the metaphorical condom before he goes on some shore leave thing with the woman he's been trying to have a relationship with for five times? Mister "I am afraid of being a father"? How about no? (Not to mention how freaking toxic this "five times" thing is. I get one time. Two times. But by the third time the whole relationship thing becomes extremely toxic. This is not romantic. It's toxic. I will let this pass tho because I've always thought of Picard/Crusher as a massively toxic gaslighting galore relationship so it makes sense to me that things would end up being this way. I will grant Matalas that, although it most likely wasn't his intention, it seems he was more trying to show that this is romantic in some twisted way.)
So no this makes no sense. Neither does her made-up reasoning for keeping Jack away - but then, like I just said, I've always viewed the relationship as filled with gaslighting, so, for her to now make up some weird excuse of "you were always away when I tried to tell you and then I just lost interest in telling you and you were always in danger" just makes it all worse. He wasn't in any danger anymore after he'd resigned from Starfleet. He was literally hanging out in France all year round. There was no reason for her to not seek him out. She didn't do it not because she was worried about Jack, she didn't do it because she simply didn't want to see Jean-Luc's face anymore. Just TELL him honestly that you didn't want for him to be involved in your life anymore and that you kept his son from him because it would have meant having to deal with him even more (Jean-Luc would no doubt have tried to be with her a sixth time because he would have felt responsible for her and the kid). This nonsensical "bad universe, danger, blah" reasoning makes her look GODAWFUL.
Not to mention the name she gave the kid. That in itself is one big pile of gaslighting - she names him after her deceased husband whose death the father of the kid agonized over and felt responsible for and incredibly guilty about. What in the WORLD? Who does something like that?
Also, she of all people should know that sometimes a son maybe just needs a father to confide in and how useful it can be if the father is around somewhere. Yes she told Jack who is father is and now conveniently claims that Jack didn't want to meet him. Of course he didn't, I bet she filled his head with all sorts of ideas how terrible Jean-Luc's life is and how many times he came close to dying and how he never wanted kids blah blah blah.
Speaking of which: Why are we STILL all forgetting that Jean-Luc literally raised two children? That he was an excellent father? But I digress, I've come to aceept by now that this show ignores "The Inner Light" because it just doesn't fit to the whole narrative. It would all crumble to dust in seconds. I have a massive urge to write in a character who just sticks his head into the room the next time someone whines or bangs on about Jean-Luc never got a chance to be a father (including himself, he seems to have forgotten all about it either, did he opt for a Vulcan mind meld treatment of "forget...."?) and who just says "by the way, Batai and Meribor say hi".
I guess what I'm saying is "please leave writing shipper stuff to the shippers". This is a prime example of "show made a relationship canon and it became a convoluted mess". It's funny because Matalas actually also names Mulder and Scully as an example of why he did this in the interview. THAT one turned into a huge mess as well once it was made canon because the writers messed around with things they should have left the hell alone. Please. For the love of everything. Leave the shipper stuff to the fic writers. They do a better job. And the necessary research. And they usually do things without assasinating characters for the sake of "great drama". THEY do their job out of love for a pairing. Not out of "ooooh great draaaamaaaaa".
tl;dr: Part of me hopes Crusher is a changeling along with her son but I doubt they're this smart about the whole thing.
You mean the guy who had at least 2 or 3 episodes of Ferengi coming after him and a film built around someone coming after him?