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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"

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The other thing that bugged me about this episode was that no one seemed to think that Vadic would blow them up once she got Jack.

I mean, why are we taking the obviously crazy lady with the badass ship who knows a ton of secret Starfleet information but is super OK telling us about it at her word that we just go away ince we give Jack up?

An easy explanation for being so cavalier with letting ys inow so much is that dead men tell no tales. We are gonna be dead anyway. That would have been a good pitch to Shaw from Riker/Picard/or Seven.
 
Guy from the bar giving Picard and Riker the eye, then next to the shuttle bay standing at attention when they come abroad, is now the guy on duty in the transporter room when Jack tries to beam over to the Shrike...

I noticed he was the one who eyed Riker when they came on board but was it also the same person from the bar?
 
I'm glad someone else noticed the similarities between Vadic and the Joker. Hopefully she's a little bit deeper of a character than that. With the reveal of Jack's parentage, I really think they're gonna have to work hard to justify Beverly hiding him for so long from Picard. Whatever her motivations, that was a shitty thing to do. And given we know this is the final season, why do I worry they're gonna copy the latest Bond movie in how the story ends for Jean Luc.
 
There's an odd inconsistency for when his rank is respected.

I saw this more as Shaw reading the room/situation rather than any real right Picard had to order anybody to do anything.

Exactly! Picard was confident in the end and Shaw and the crew deferred to him and his experience here. Shaw could probably have chosen to ignore Picard/had him removed from the Bridge but chose not too in this instance.
 
Isolytic weapons. I kept wanting Riker to say something like "the Second Khitomer Accords aren't gonna like that."
Shaw: Captain Vadic, the weapons systems on your ship are in violation of the Second Khitomer Accords and the Klingons--

Vadic: Even if you somehow survived to tell them, I have a feeling they already know.

(Her viewscreen pans away to reveal a bunch of Klingon heads and their bat'leths on the wall of her bridge. Hey, it fits with the absurd tone of the episode so far. :P )
 
I get people wanting to go back to TNG S1/S2 given the age of the actors involved. But it is the characters we have to go off of.

Jack is early 20s not early 30s. Bev was 54/55 when conceiving. Unlikely but not impossible even today. And remember Insurrection. The all had their clocks rewound a bit.
But if Jack is Ed Speleers real age, Beverly would have been in her mid 40's instead of 50's.
 
Section 31 should be the laughingstock of the galaxy for anyone who's heard of them after it was revealed the head of Starfleet Intelligence was a Romulan spy, who'd been in the service since Data was discovered, personally sabotaged an android army and sent them on a terrorist attack that killed millions on the doorstep of the Federation capital and rendered an entire planet uninhabitable, and still no one realized until she ducked out for lunch early one day to assume personal, public command of a fleet of warbirds flying out to raze another planet.

Why even bother having an amoral, ultra-secret cabal unhindered by the rule of law if they're going to completely miss that Starfleet was basically co-opted by the Manchurian Candidate for fifteen years? The Oh scandal should've been 31's one big shot to prove the utility of rummaging through every Federation citizen's trash looking for disloyalty and sedition, interrogating on a whim and assassinating on suspicion is needed to preserve freedom and democracy and rokeg blood pie for the little people who believe ideals are real, but, instead, they didn't even notice the most spectacular crime of the millennium had occurred right under their noses for fifteen years. And Raffi, some rando analyst with the legitimate intelligence agency, had already figured half of it out for them!
I agree, after the events of Picard Season 1, nobody would take S31 seriously given how big of a spy organization failure that was.
 
Shaw: Captain Vadic, the weapons systems on your ship are in violation of the Second Khitomer Accords and the Klingons--

Vadic: Even if you somehow survived to tell them, I have a feeling they already know.

(Her viewscreen pans away to reveal a bunch of Klingon heads and their bat'leths on the wall of her bridge. Hey, it fits with the absurd tone of the episode so far. :P )
That would kick ass.
I agree, after the events of Picard Season 1, nobody would take S31 seriously given how big of a spy organization failure that was.
Yes, it will take some time for them to regroup. Which would be quite an interesting story to tell in of itself.
 
Section 31 has been a sigh-inducing bore since DSC took the concept and well, took it and did things with it. The less it shows up from this point forward the better.

I'm cool with it existing. DS9 and ENT used the concept just fine and I'm not utopian and rainbow hugs enough to think societies like 22nd century Earth and later the Federation wouldn't have an agency like that. But the current incarnation of the concept just isn't entertaining.
 
This episode wasn't great. But really built to the big moment when Picard and Beverly come face to face for that first time. And that moment WAS brilliant. Picard silently asking, with just his face, if his suspicions are true and Beverly confirming it with just an expression.

Worf didn't job! That's cool.

I really dislike this Vadic. She's going to ruin the entire season for me, if they don't ground her in some way. Scenery chewing, sure. But good lord. Over the top in every regard.

I haven't been at all impressed with the writing so far this season, save for anything they give to Riker. The stuff with Shaw was pretty good, but they can't decide whether he's angry at Seven or relying on her. Why isn't she in the brig? Honestly, I'm increasingly expecting this to be super underwhelming.
 
Vadic better be more than the cool factor of General Chang's daughter smoking on a dark bridge. She was one of the least interesting parts of the episode for me.
 
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