What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Tallguy]

Tiny quibble on the one above - Ellison was asked to change the catalyst to McCoy and did so in his second draft. (I just re-read the book.)

I am going from memories nearly old enough to drink.

Shatner's performance had a lot to do with it too.

The REAL reason that we remember this episode 55+ years later.

Not anywhere close to controversial (it better not be!) I think Nimoy's performance here is almost underrated. I cannot think of any hyperbole that would be too much. Even though he is clearly a supporting character in this episode he is so good. He sees all of the outcomes clearly and they all make him miserable. Especially the ones that end with him staying in the 1930's. It's strangely one of the most natural performances that Nimoy gives as Spock.

I just reread the script and not the intro rant, but it seems to me Harlan got more pissed about Gene lying over the years than the actual script kerfuffle. THAT was totally justified.

It was, to be sure. But nobody ever saw this and said "It's so out of character for Harlan! He's usually so agreeable."

 

[1001001]

Poor guy. He's trying to have his cake and Edith too.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Also I don't see the network letting TOS get away with all of that drug dealing going on. Characters like Beckwith would never have been allowed back then.

 

[cooleddie74]

On Tom Synder's Tomorrow in early 1976 he said, and I paraphrase, the show had "mucked up his script badly." He also went on to say that he didn't speak to Gene for years afterwards but by the taping of that program they were once again friends. So...who knows for sure what his feelings were at the given moment.

 

[Tallguy]

How could anyone trust Kirk after that? He's willing to throw away the Federation's entire history, all just for her?

Well this is the same show that left Data and Worf in positions of responsibility and continues to use holodecks.

Poor guy. He's trying to have his cake and Edith too.

Ahem.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

On Tom Synder's Tomorrow in early 1976 he said, and I paraphrase, the show had "mucked up his script badly."

I'm sure it rhymed with "mucked", anyway.

I wonder what Ellison would have thought about DSC using the Guardian. I mean, I'm sure he would have allowed it (provided he was adequately compensated, as I'm sure his estate actually was), I'm just curious as to what he might think about the way they used it. What with the whole "Carl" thing.

 

[cooleddie74]

To his credit he did use the actual word "mucked" but in his head I'm pretty sure it was another word that shared five of those six letters.

 

[cooleddie74]

Harlan's segment of the show begins at 25:25.

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

Speaking of Carl, how's this for controversial: I liked it.

 

[Sci]

The biggest problem I have with Ellison's original script is that Kirk actually tries to save Edith, apparently not caring what this will do to the timeline.

How could anyone trust Kirk after that? He's willing to throw away the Federation's entire history, all just for her?

I dunno man. Asking someone not to try to save the woman he loves is a pretty huge thing. You could just as easily ask how anyone could trust him again knowing that he'd be willing to sacrifice you if he felt it was better for everyone else that you should die.

Poor guy. He's trying to have his cake and Edith too.

Ten points to Griffyndor!

Also, I do wonder why the landing party couldn't have saved Edith and then taken her to the 23rd Century with them. That would have preserved history and allowed her to live her life.

 

[1001001]

She didn’t have the foresight to jump into a beam-out.

 

[plynch]

I have no idea in reality, but I like to think if he is my leader in life and death situations, that I would like the fact that he would allow one or a few to die (even if me) to save the many.

Edit: and allow himself to suffer too.

 

[1001001]

Edith should have been his wife in the Nexus.

 

[cooleddie74]

Or Carol Marcus.

 

[1001001]

Or Carol Marcus.

Or Gillian.

Take your pick.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Antonia?"

"WHO???"

"Exactly."

"But why?"

"Why not?"

"Whatever, just end the meeting so I can go home."

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

As for why Edith couldn't be taken to the future...perhaps the Guardian has rules to that effect.

Meaning, since Edith didn't originally come from the future, she couldn't be allowed to be taken to it?

And yes, I'm well aware that McCoy, Kirk and Spock all travelled to a past which was not their own, FROM the future. But at least they knew some things about the Guardian and how to operate it. Even McCoy, in his cordrazine-induced haze, had the presence of mind to recognize the Guardian's existence and make use of it.

In the end, though...Edith was always meant to die in her own time frame. Her death was always supposed to happen. Not just because of its impact on Kirk, but on the timeline in general. She's simply not destined to live, in any time period. That's the bottom line.

 

[1001001]

"Antonia?"

"WHO???"

"Exactly."

"But why?"

"Why not?"

"Whatever, just end the meeting so I can go home."

Imagine that agent’s phone call to his client.

“Hey! You got cast as Captain Kirk’s fiancé in the new Star Trek movie!”

Poor woman probably called all her friends and family. They all gathered to watch her…sitting on a horse in the distance for 2 seconds…


Yes, yes I know it was a stuntwoman. Just go with it.

 

[cooleddie74]

I know I'd brag about having been seen in a Star Trek movie but, yeah, it's gotta be awkward being "shadowy woman on top of horse and on a hill too far away to make out much detail." I mean, sure, you got to be in Star Trek but...how could you prove it to most people.

 

[Vger23]

Controversial Opinion: Antonia was an absolutely befuddling writing choice for GEN…but certainly not the worst.