This is a good point. It's a scene I find so annoying that I generally skip it on my ID rewatches.
Why Is "Into Darkness" So [imagine a different, more accurate past participle here]?
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Starships are no longer needed if you can just beam from planet to planet.
That depends on how many people or how much stuff you can beam, doesn't it?
People say that all the time yet nothing is shown supporting the notion. As a counterexample. Stargate starts out with a teleportal to various worlds, yet for some stupid reason the dumb humans insist upon building starships.
Nonsense.
Even with TW beaming, you'd need ships for exploration purposes.
SF doesn't just go from one star to another and lands on planets meeting new cultures... they explore nebulas, supernovas, anomalies, star clusters, etc.
Besides, you can't exactly initiate first contact with an unknown alien species by simply beaming onto their planet (which would definitely make you appear hostile).
TW beaming however would make things easier... in the sense that SF could technically just beam a starship from one location to the next. The device might need to be as large as a drydock in that case, but that's a small price to pay if you ask me.
Also, SF could easily use the technology to beam self-assembly facilities to a given location (say outer reaches of UFP space) and assemble a starbase or defense perimeter remotely.
It could also provide other ships with much needed support and supplies very fast.
Starfleet becomes the Protoss?
I like the film just fine.
Don't get me wrong, everything wrong with it that you want to point to is probably valid, but I still like it. I like the throughline from beginning to end of Kirk and Spock beginning to understand one another and forging a friendship, though, Spock's scream is ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, everything wrong with it that you want to point to is probably valid, but I still like it. I like the throughline from beginning to end of Kirk and Spock beginning to understand one another and forging a friendship, though, Spock's scream is ridiculous.
If you wish to use that particular analogy... fine... but TW beaming would greatly add to SF's logistical capabilities and easier management of remote areas of space where SF activity may be lower.
Well, naturally. Transwarp beaming is very useful. I just found the scifi comparison funny.
We aren't told what the limitations of TW beaming are in canon, but according to the novelization of Star Trek Into Darkness, beaming to Qo'noS for Khan was a more complicated plot. The small portable transwarp beaming device on the jumpship only had enough power to beam Khan to an automated cargo station on Earth's orbit. From there he accessed a heavy-load transporter to beam onto an unmanned vessel in orbit of Luna. Khan had equipped the ship with another unauthorized transwarp device wired into the empty ship’s engine. Utilizing the entire energy output of the engine for a single massive burst, he could have beamed anywhere in our galactic region. Transporting to Qo'noS completely burned out the device, so no one was able to follow him using it.
So, if that novelization has merit, it would suggest the engine of an empty ship of unknown size in the 23rd century would have allowed Khan to beam anywhere in 'our galactic region'... meaning that the range could be as large as tens of thousands of ly's... possibly 30 000 - 40 000 LY radius (similar to what the Sikaris spatial trajector technology was capable of - and even if the range was limited to about 10 000 Ly's or less, by the 24th century, it would likely be on par or superior compared to the spatial trajector technology).
Anyway... its a real shame (and a missed opportunity) that TW beaming has only been mentioned thus far but never actually seen or used in the prime timeline.
The fact Spock knew about it suggests the technology was beginning to be used in some way before he left the prime timeline.
Perhaps ST: Prodigy will (finally) touch upon it (and hopefully not just discard it).
I always thought it was similar to the interphase beaming (if I'm recalling the term correctly) that caused some sort of tissue damage. In any case, yes it would be nice to see it in the Prime Universe.
Again, I hope so, but I won't hold my breath. Tech is usually at the service of the plot, such as how it got Khan to Kronos in a short amount of time. However, it did set up one of my absolutely favorite fight scenes and Klingon designs in all of Trek so there is that.
Maybe Scotty studying how that was accomplished is where the idea originally came from in the Prime timeline.
The real loss is Disco S3 not beaming across the galaxy in the tap of a badge (which is what I initially assumed S3E01 was doing), I was very excited for an utterly chaotic future only for them to... sweep it under the rug. And then find technobabble reasons why badge teleporting doesn't work (like they retconned it that it's the ship's transporter doing the work, no longer the badge itself as prototyped in Nemesis)
I just hated that it was Khan, and not either 1) just a disgruntled Star Fleet officer or 2) one of the other augments, accidentally thawed out first, desparately trying to free Khan.
I find Generations to be the absolute worst Trek movie out of the entire canvas. I will never watch that movie again. I find nothing special about III, and find that by the time the film ends on Vulcan, it is a slog. I actually find the Final Frontier to be a lot of fun, and can rewatch it with the best of them.
Well, I don't hate it. It's my least favourite of the Kelvin movies and it has a number of issues, some more annoying than others, but I still enjoy it from time to time.
On a related note: I purchased a 4K TV and reader recently so I went ahead and got the 4K versions of the three reboot movies. I got a pleasant surprise while watching Into Darkness a few minutes ago: they colour corrected much of the movie, especially the exterior shots, to be less blue and more natural. The Enterprise particularily looks even more stunning here. A welcome improvement, even though I usually despise such corrections.
On a related note: I purchased a 4K TV and reader recently so I went ahead and got the 4K versions of the three reboot movies. I got a pleasant surprise while watching Into Darkness a few minutes ago: they colour corrected much of the movie, especially the exterior shots, to be less blue and more natural. The Enterprise particularily looks even more stunning here. A welcome improvement, even though I usually despise such corrections.
Star Trek Into Darkness is my least favorite.
For me, its biggest offenses are:
1) A repetition of the exact same character arc for Kirk as from 2009 Star Trek. He needs to learn a lesson in responsibility. Okay.
2) Using the 'member-berry of Star Trek II as a massive emotional climax for two of its main characters. Also, couple that with how Kirk seems annoyed at Spock for the entire movie. But when Kirk , Spock has an emotional meltdown. But they're really not friends here.
3) John Harrison being Khan. Make him one character or the other. I literally don't care what they do with Khan. But to have the character shift identities in the middle of the movie for...what reason? It's not like the characters know who he is. But we do.
I could go on.
For me, its biggest offenses are:
1) A repetition of the exact same character arc for Kirk as from 2009 Star Trek. He needs to learn a lesson in responsibility. Okay.
2) Using the 'member-berry of Star Trek II as a massive emotional climax for two of its main characters. Also, couple that with how Kirk seems annoyed at Spock for the entire movie. But when Kirk , Spock has an emotional meltdown. But they're really not friends here.
3) John Harrison being Khan. Make him one character or the other. I literally don't care what they do with Khan. But to have the character shift identities in the middle of the movie for...what reason? It's not like the characters know who he is. But we do.
I could go on.
Such power cannot be allowed to stand. That is the Starfleet way.
And that...leads to hate of the entire movie?
That's easy:
Also in Wilber's original treatment, the Khan character was a Nordic superman named "Harold Erricsen". This evolved in the first draft, where the character first introduced himself as "John Ericssen" but was later revealed to be Ragnar Thorwald, who had been involved in "the First World Tyranny". Thorwald was more brutal in this version of the story, where he dispatched the guard outside his quarters with a phaser.
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