Is the Imperial cubicle farm the most frightening Star Wars creation yet?
Spoilers Andor season one
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Yeah, I guess it's just because Cassian didn't look that young in it. Not 15 years younger than the show. But maybe I'll have to look at it again.
You know there is a bit of irony in Andor getting hit with a minimum sentence increase that happened because of the Empire's crackdown in response to the robbery.
I can see it already (with the ISB meetings) that the Galactic Empire was destined to blow itself up, even if Luke Skywalker died and the Death Star remained intact. It just couldn't get out of the way of itself when trying to stamp out early Rebels.
And with the ISB departments squabbling, Imperial military intelligence jockying alongside them, and the Inquisitors doing their own shit stirring on Vader's behalf, I can see the potential of a Imperial civil war occurring with nobody like Palpatine in charge (even Operation Cinder was a rallying point).
And with the ISB departments squabbling, Imperial military intelligence jockying alongside them, and the Inquisitors doing their own shit stirring on Vader's behalf, I can see the potential of a Imperial civil war occurring with nobody like Palpatine in charge (even Operation Cinder was a rallying point).
I look at it as a black-and-white overarching conflict where individual participants can be grey. Cassian is clearly not a straight, conventional good guy. Some Separatists in the Clone Wars weren't outright villains hellbent on coopting the entire galaxy and its population. The Rebels use shady, almost criminal elements to achieve galactic freedom and the Separatists and later the Empire employ good people forced to work within some terrible systems in order to gain what they believe to be freedom, peace and security.
The death of the first guard was manslaughter at worst. Cassian was defending himself from two people in the midst of committing a criminal act and it accidentally resulted in the man's death.
The second guy....not so much.
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They were showing "adult" Cassian's face in the flashback since adult Cassian was remembering it. "Young" Cassian was only shown from the back. (I'll admit I found the device slightly confusing myself at first, though I get what they were going for.)
And Saw is also showing up in this season at some point. He’s also into doing outright bad stuff against the empire, so bad he’s not part of the core rebel alliance come rogue one (and even rebels) because of how extremist he can be. I imagine in this series we’ll see Mon Mothma forms her own rebel group away from both of them.
It’s vague enough to go both ways. I think Filoni forgetting he wasn’t an admiral in ANH makes more sense.
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The Galactic Empire and its successors like the First Order are not truly successful because they're space Nazis, and in the Disney era they played up the superficially "efficient" inefficiency and back stabbing shared with their historical inspiration.
The Galactic Empire or its Final Order being "successful" means we'd either get terrible dystopian galactic stagnation and oppression similar to the later Dune stories or we'd get galactic civilisation totally demolished by an endless succession of Dark Side warlords and their superweapons.
"Ideals are peaceful, history is violent"
That's the vibe I'm getting when you see the jockeying for power when it comes to Mon Mothma and Luthen. She has the ideals of the rebellion but the means of implementing those ideals are out of her grasp. Luthen knows what it'll take to get change, but if left to his own mechanisms would just result in something similar to the empire.
That's the vibe I'm getting when you see the jockeying for power when it comes to Mon Mothma and Luthen. She has the ideals of the rebellion but the means of implementing those ideals are out of her grasp. Luthen knows what it'll take to get change, but if left to his own mechanisms would just result in something similar to the empire.
The Galactic Empire got defeated in the long run across 40 years, despite a superior military and industrial base, because they were compromised and sustained by a mad super space wizard (who set himself up as a target at Endor to entice then capture/kill the core Rebellion, but then died the first time at the hands of Vader), and the Empire is ideologically rotten, its policies make more enemies than necessary, and a lot of its supporters come across as mediocre bullies and weasels (that weird mole alien in Obi-Wan and that kangaroo judge who processed Andor).
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Welcome to fantasy.
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The problem with evil, as Star Wars has explored, is that it needs something to contest against. So, if they have put down all resistance (and at the time of Andor they felt they had) then they start fighting amongst themselves. We see this from the get-go in Star Wars. Tarkin's little command group squabble over tactics, Tarkin is pushing his own agenda, etc. That's what Andor is exposing is that the Empire still has factions within it, especially within the leadership ranks, where position and prestige mean more than running the government.
Why did the get defeated? Because of hubris, false overconfidence, that they were the biggest and most secure, which led to their feelings of superiority. The only reason the Empire holds together is because of the Dark Lord who inspires fear and dread and obedience in his immediate reports, who in turn control the rest.
The Rebellion is capable of undoing this because they have a common enemy that will bind together disparate elements (see Rebels and Rogue One) while the Empire struggles with competitive leaders at all ranks.
Again, this is a very mythological style storytelling of a great evil being undone by smaller, but more adaptable, foes. Which is what Lucas was looking at, and looking to the VietCong for inspiration in the original Star Wars.
Really? Darker than these things in the original film:
- Obi Wan slicing rowdy Bar patrons arms off with his light saber and we have a shot of the bloodied arms on the floor?
- Han shooting Gweedo and you see rthe blast coming out of his back and the body slumped over and smoking.
- C3P0 throwing dead Jawa corpses on a fire after their lard transport was attacked and every Jawa killed?
- Darker than Luke returning to find the charred and still burning bodies of his aunt and uncle?
- The Empire blowing up an ENTIRE populated planet?
STAR WARS has been somewhat dark from day one. Nothing new here.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Palps purposely tolerated a certain amount of dissent and competitiveness between different Imperial agencies or branches, to prevent any one of them from gaining too much influence and power and perhaps becoming formidable enough to be a potential threat to his own authority.
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I have a feeling that he would encourage it as well. It is in line with the Legends doctrine of the Sith of "one to have power and one to crave it." The infighting at a certain level would allow him to not worry about potential usurpers, as well as an interesting spread of power, from the military, to the ISB, to the Senate (for now). If they are all competing against each other they likely will not move against him.
I would like Palpatine to appear, but just have him be on a broadcast going out to the galaxy, or something like that. Doesn't need to appear in person. But just so he is a "presence" in the story. Doesn't have to be but I'd like to see it.
Then it'd also be easier to do for McDiarmid to do, however they did the scene in Obi-Wan. Hell, can't just CGI everyone's face and voice now anyway, so do they even need to get the actor in for stuff like that anymore
Then it'd also be easier to do for McDiarmid to do, however they did the scene in Obi-Wan. Hell, can't just CGI everyone's face and voice now anyway, so do they even need to get the actor in for stuff like that anymore
