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Him ending up in a dead end job is funny and quite honestly a reasonable expectation given the regime change. It would be, dare I say, logical as an outcome.

The pushback that gets under my skin (and yes, I'm sensitive on this point) is the idea that wouldn't it be funny if he killed himself? Oh, that's a real knee slapper, I'll tell you what, boy...

like...what? :wtf:

I hope I'm reading this wrong.
I don't think it would be funny if he killed himself, it's the dead end job for an ambitious, sniveling little sort that I find amusing.
 
I don't think it would be funny if he killed himself, it's the dead end job for an ambitious, sniveling little sort that I find amusing.
Please note that my comment was in relationship to @CaptainWacky and their comment:
It would be hilarious if Syril never actually impacts the plot again and just goes through a series of shitter and shitter jobs before killing himself in the finale.

I do not think you think it would be hilarious if the character killed themselves. My comments flow from the above statement.
 
I want Syril to switch to the rebels. Maybe have him eventually work as a double agent. It makes for a more interesting transition. My gut instinct is Stellan Skarsgard is going to die at the end of the season. This allows Mothma take on a even greater leadership role. Syril then moves in as a alley but one she never knows if she can fully trust him.
 
If it's following Rebels, Mon Mothma didn't really leave the Senate until season 3 of Rebels or so, which I think is 3 BBY?

Andor is at 5 BBY right now and the first season takes us to 4 BBY. Andor season 1 is just over a year long and season 2 is going to jump around 2-4 years
 
Syril switching sides wouldn't be unprecedented even in Disney Era Star Wars. Agent Kallus defected to the Rebellion after being one of the primary villains at the start of Rebels and went on to be one of the three known persons to use the codename "Fulcrum," Ahsoka and Cassian being the others.
 
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Yeah, that one certainly grabbed my attention. On the list of "things from animation yet to be seen in live action" I didn't think THIS show would the one to check this item off the list.

Though one can't help but question how he gets away with prominently displaying what is almost certainly contraband.
Perhaps it's part of his cover? Bribe some Imperial official to look the other way and quietly give Luthen's comings and goings a pass. Since they'd thing it's just because he's trading in dusty old knick-knacks, there's no real harm in or serious risk in it, especially since most of his clientele are Imperial elites (besides, most of them are fakes and replicas anyway!) That way, Luthen gets some low-key protection without the risk of raising any serious suspicions; hiding in plain sight.
I mean, the ISB would be a fully new organization, with different structures, responsibilities and ranks, so I don't necessarily see it as a demotion either, especially given that Yularen ends up with more power as an ISB colonel than as a Republic admiral, given ISB's reach and capabilities. I doubt Yularen felt there was much of demotion there, especially since he would be among the first to support the new order.
I think it's safe to say that being one of the senior figures in the Empire's secret offers far more influence, prestige and MONEY than any serving navy Admiral (on top of presumably keeping his Navy pension.) As a bonus, he mostly gets to stay home on Coruscant, keep reasonable office hours, and he almost never gets shot at anymore. So yeah the idea that this is a demotion is just crazy. It's a career change, for sure, but an upwards one.

It's also probably worth remembering that the GAR's non-clone officer corps was mostly drawn from local judicial forces (since there hadn't been a standing military on that scale in a millennium.) So there's every chance that security and intelligence is actually where Yularen originally came from before the war.
So going back to that world in part the train the next generation of security agents (Kallus among them IIRC) seems like a perfectly reasonable post-war retirement. Especially considering the alternative at the time would have been overseeing endless separatist hold-out mop-up operations, maybe bucking for a military governorship of some mid-rim planet and having to deal with all the headaches and politicking of the other Moffs.

Syril switching sides wouldn't be unprecedented even in Disney Era Star Wars. Agent Kallus defected to the Rebellion after being one of the primary villains at the start of Rebels and went on to be one of the three known persons to use the codename "Fulcrum," Ahsoka and Cassian being the others.

It's not impossible, but I really don't see his arc going that way. Syril is a middle-class climber. An incompetent, over-eager try-hard. He's the Star Wars version of Arnold Rimmer.
If anything, I think he's going to double down on his commitment to the Empire. After all, he doesn't resent the Empire for what happened, he resents what he sees as corporate corruption and dereliction of duty. On a more personal level he may also blame Cassian, but if he ends up going after him (which seems likely) it'll be in an attempt to clear his name and improve his standing, not to switch sides.
 
It's not impossible, but I really don't see his arc going that way. Syril is a middle-class climber. An incompetent, over-eager try-hard. He's the Star Wars version of Arnold Rimmer.
Who?
If anything, I think he's going to double down on his commitment to the Empire. After all, he doesn't resent the Empire for what happened, he resents what he sees as corporate corruption and dereliction of duty. On a more personal level he may also blame Cassian, but if he ends up going after him (which seems likely) it'll be in an attempt to clear his name and improve his standing, not to switch sides.
I agree. Honestly, I think his arc will be similar to Javert in Les Misérables.
 
Yes, because suicide is hilarious...:wtf::eek::barf2:

What does this mean? Adults can't enjoy regular Star Wars? I see this stated a lot but haven't the foggiest clue what it actually means to people and it's confusing and while I doubt this is the intention, seems like a slap in the face to all other Star Wars for not being "adult."

In that it actually tackles the story with naunce and thoughtfulness, that it addresses big ideas and challenges the viewer.
 
In that it actually tackles the story with naunce and thoughtfulness, that it addresses big ideas and challenges the viewer.
I guess I go looking for challenges because I've always found Star Wars a philosophical challenge and open to discussion with my friends...probably the exception to the rule.

And still sounds like a sideways insult at other Star Wars.
 
I literally mentioned in my post you took issue with that I (an adult) enjoy the pulpier Star Wars too (well, some of it, Kenobi was shite.) But I'm very much appreciating the more adult way Andor is approaching the material.
 
Yeah, that one certainly grabbed my attention. On the list of "things from animation yet to be seen in live action" I didn't think THIS show would the one to check this item off the list.

Though one can't help but question how he gets away with prominently displaying what is almost certainly contraband.
Perhaps it's part of his cover? Bribe some Imperial official to look the other way and quietly give Luthen's comings and goings a pass. Since they'd thing it's just because he's trading in dusty old knick-knacks, there's no real harm in or serious risk in it, especially since most of his clientele are Imperial elites (besides, most of them are fakes and replicas anyway!) That way, Luthen gets some low-key protection without the risk of raising any serious suspicions; hiding in plain sight.

I think it's safe to say that being one of the senior figures in the Empire's secret offers far more influence, prestige and MONEY than any serving navy Admiral (on top of presumably keeping his Navy pension.) As a bonus, he mostly gets to stay home on Coruscant, keep reasonable office hours, and he almost never gets shot at anymore. So yeah the idea that this is a demotion is just crazy. It's a career change, for sure, but an upwards one.

It's also probably worth remembering that the GAR's non-clone officer corps was mostly drawn from local judicial forces (since there hadn't been a standing military on that scale in a millennium.) So there's every chance that security and intelligence is actually where Yularen originally came from before the war.
So going back to that world in part the train the next generation of security agents (Kallus among them IIRC) seems like a perfectly reasonable post-war retirement. Especially considering the alternative at the time would have been overseeing endless separatist hold-out mop-up operations, maybe bucking for a military governorship of some mid-rim planet and having to deal with all the headaches and politicking of the other Moffs.



It's not impossible, but I really don't see his arc going that way. Syril is a middle-class climber. An incompetent, over-eager try-hard. He's the Star Wars version of Arnold Rimmer.
If anything, I think he's going to double down on his commitment to the Empire. After all, he doesn't resent the Empire for what happened, he resents what he sees as corporate corruption and dereliction of duty. On a more personal level he may also blame Cassian, but if he ends up going after him (which seems likely) it'll be in an attempt to clear his name and improve his standing, not to switch sides.

This is why I see him switching sides. I think they are playing him as a honorable Republican who is not the most progressive sort and isn't going to be all in on what the Rebels are into but he is going to see the Empire for what it's become. He is someone who might have grown up knowing about how they won the Clone War and likely thinks the Jedi were elitist traitors and all of that. He is Liz Cheney in a uniform. Sort of anyways.
 
I literally mentioned in my post you took issue with that I (an adult) enjoy the pulpier Star Wars too (well, some of it, Kenobi was shite.) But I'm very much appreciating the more adult way Andor is approaching the material.
I read that. I just don't find other Star Wars less adult. Just the way my brain is parsing the information.
 
Please note that my comment was in relationship to @CaptainWacky and their comment:


I do not think you think it would be hilarious if the character killed themselves. My comments flow from the above statement.

I didn't really mean funny "ha ha" but it would be darkly amusing if, after spending a whole season thinking he's going to interact with the main plot again, the fascist cop ends up being a victim of the system he sought to prop up. Sorry I sometimes forget not to be flippant with my language here.
 
Andor is more adult but only in the sense that appeals to us as adults in a different way. Andor appeals to our more mature, seasoned selves. Were The Mandalorian appeals to our inner kid. The part of us that just wants some fun escapism.
 
The Empire is trying to close its fist, to strike fear into people. That's what empires do when they feel like they're losing control. Sentences where "harming the Empire" (a terrific play on how the US uses "jeopardizing national security" which is so vague as to mean anything in our post 9/11 world) means a compounded sentence, overkill, to discourage others from doing the same, which as we generally know, when you try to close your fist tightly around grains of sand, more sand begins to escape.

The same basic principle applies here: the more the Empire squeezes, the more people will begin to notice the squeeze, because up until this point, it's been gradual enough that most people who have comfortable margins (that is, people who can generally survive from day to day without great cost) don't notice, and of course the wealthiest at the top understand it as politics as usual and are generally insulated from it, but the most vulnerable, the people at the bottom, the outer rim worlds where survival isn't just a theory, it's day to day torture, they're aware, they can see what is happening here. We could apply what we're seeing in Andor to current events. The more empires begin to fear they've lost control, the more they lash out at those they believe have wronged them or, worse, will wrong them if they don't show a strong display of force.

That's a lot of words to say that the Star Destroyer is perfectly reasonable given the mindset the Empire is projecting onto the people it has oppressed.

To the episode itself, this was terrific. The time passed quickly, and I wanted to see more.

Trailer wasn't lying. Come Ep 7, the ISB is loving this, and apparently, 80 mil credits IS a lot to the Empire.

Re the episode: Sweet Pius Dea, Andor got away...and then got six years. Feels like ep 1 of the 3rd arc: get Andor out. Kel's going for him but Bix might contact Luthen and Luthen might change the plan to get him out. This and Andor realizing he can't escape the empire anymore may be what drives him to full rebel.

I didn't really mean funny "ha ha" but it would be darkly amusing if, after spending a whole season thinking he's going to interact with the main plot again, the fascist cop ends up being a victim of the system he sought to prop up. Sorry I sometimes forget not to be flippant with my language here.

I do hope Syril just ends up being a big red herring. if he does do that, what you said in the first comment, I can honestly see it happening.

The man's uncle got him into the regulation bureau, looking over fuel logs and quality. Fucking pfft. So much for Uncle Harlo. Syril is in a dead end. There's no advancement for him here. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last we see of him honestly, but he could try another jab at success, fail, be spit out. I could see him looking over the edge of some Coruscanti barrier, just a broken man.

I don't want Syril to become some big baddie. He's honestly not worth it. The system has loads of mavericks. And most fail. Syril has ended up like them. He got men killed, trying to put his nose in where it didn't belong, against the advice of his seasoned chief. If he didn't do that, he would still have a job and be chasing some other minor crime and Andor would be living free, Aldhani would had still happened (who was going to drive if Andor wasn't there, I wonder?) and doesn't even really own up to it (granted, that could also be interview strategy - just pump yourself up, don't mention you got people killed). And in a way, it shows how the Empire can break everyone, even its most driven and loyal. As I've hated Syril since his introduction - fine by me!
 
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A career progression (or rather, regression) that makes no sense, but whatever.
Real world explanation: Filoni didn't realize that Yularen was a Colonel in ANH and thought he was a Grand Admiral because of the white uniform, therefore made Yularen an Admiral in Clone Wars.
In universe explanation: Apparently an ISB Colonel does outrank a military flag officer, as outlined in the new Disney Canon novels.
 
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