Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]
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They need to bring Blair back in 5-6 years to reprise her role. I hope it happens.
A bit rough in places but overall I'm satisfied. Honestly I would have been happy with no Vader and a much smaller scope character study of Obi-Wan in exile, so what we got was above and beyond.
As for the finale itself; yeah there's a few points that took me out of it like Reva magically teleporting *again*. Obi-Wan not finishing off Vader *again*. But really that's mostly just nitpicks.
I'm glad Reva came out of it alive and, while not redeemed exactly, she's at least turned from the path. One assumes the rumoured show featuring her will take up her story from this point.
Not at all surprised to see Qui-Gon. Like I said when the first episode came out: Chekov's Force Ghost. It was inevitable. Palpatine was honestly a bit of a surprise and it was interesting to see him in the RotJ make-up design again (even if it plays hell with the visual continuity.) His attitude is consistent with his conversation with Vader 5-6 years hence, so that at least lines up.
And yes, he "said the thing", and the internet rejoices. Indeed a lot of lines in this one felt like deliberate quotes or echoes of the movies: "my friend is truly dead" etc.
The music came together on this one; having very gradually been teasing at the familiar leitmotifs all season, we finally get the fully realised Vader &, Leia themes. I look forward to the Soundtrack Show's full breakdown of the progression from episode to epsiode.
As for the finale itself; yeah there's a few points that took me out of it like Reva magically teleporting *again*. Obi-Wan not finishing off Vader *again*. But really that's mostly just nitpicks.
I'm glad Reva came out of it alive and, while not redeemed exactly, she's at least turned from the path. One assumes the rumoured show featuring her will take up her story from this point.
Not at all surprised to see Qui-Gon. Like I said when the first episode came out: Chekov's Force Ghost. It was inevitable. Palpatine was honestly a bit of a surprise and it was interesting to see him in the RotJ make-up design again (even if it plays hell with the visual continuity.) His attitude is consistent with his conversation with Vader 5-6 years hence, so that at least lines up.
And yes, he "said the thing", and the internet rejoices. Indeed a lot of lines in this one felt like deliberate quotes or echoes of the movies: "my friend is truly dead" etc.
The music came together on this one; having very gradually been teasing at the familiar leitmotifs all season, we finally get the fully realised Vader &, Leia themes. I look forward to the Soundtrack Show's full breakdown of the progression from episode to epsiode.
I've seen rumours that Millie Bobby Brown is in negotiations at Lucasfilm for a Leia centric project. I can see it, though given she's already almost as old as Carrie was in '76 that would mean it'd be a post ANH/pre tESB show, which just feels weird to me. I always assumed the way to go with a young Leia story would be her as a Senator/Rebel spy, though I guess 'Andor' may have that angle covered already. Probably nothing more than a rumour though.
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It looked like they comped the make-up on in post, rather than put Ian back in the make-up chair for 6 hrs. Either way it was clearly meant to invoke RotJ more then RotS.
At 77 years old you age, look as you did at 30, you will not!
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With makeup, his age shouldn’t be a issue.
If that were true, then nobody would look old.
I mean with the extend of makeup he would have to wear. It covers his whole face.
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His face, which one should note is covered by his skin. Skin which is 20 years older and stretcher than it was the last time he wore the make-up (and 40 since the first time.) Or did you think latex appliances are attached directly to the bone or something?
I feel like I'm on the verge of having to spell out why old people look old . . .
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Eh. So ends the Obi-Wan Kenobi series that should have cut so much of the unnecessary filler that played no role in the galaxy or specific characters being where they needed to be for the OT (the last five minutes of ROTS did that far better than this entire series).
There are inconsistencies in how characters perceive or deal with one another and how it impacts the OT:
Fanservice dialogue callback to the OT: "Then my friend is truly dead" obviously mirrored Luke's "Then my father is truly dead".
Explanation moment: Obi-Wan's strike through Vader's helmet and into his head explains the deep wound seen in TESB and ROTJ.
The Reva arc...well, it was there, but in the grand scheme of things, it felt like thie kind of sideline story one would see in the annual of a comic book--not really having any bearing to the main story, but added there "just because". The character's arc could have been served with greater effect as a two-hour episode of a SW anthology series; this is supposed to be a galaxy--innumerable beings have stories that were impacted by the Empire's takeover, yet have nothing to do with the Skywalker story (i.e. kidnapping Leia and hunting Luke). I would have preferred to see Reva's story from say...adolescence to her current adulthood, carefully laying out her soul's corruption at the hands of the Sith, and her own reign of terror, culminating in her betraying the other Inquisitors (preventing them from committing some planet-wide atrocity) before fleeing for her life.
The racists--yes, racists--who were up in arms about the leaked script having Reva "protecting" Luke from some threat--in other words, marginalizing Obi-Wan from his sworn duty--did not occur in that way at all. She did not make some stand against Vader or the Inquisitors at the Lars homestead while Obi-Wan just stood on the sidelines being "weak"--as the worst of the YouTube reviewers predicted.
...but i'm certain they will still refer to Moses Ingram as "diversity casting"--a black woman who did not deserve to be in Star Wars.
The biggest "win" for this series--or the franchise overall--was to hammer that last nail in the falsely-blaming-Obi-Wan-for-any culpability-in-Anakin's-fall coffin The one thing the PT succeeded at was laying out how much of a self-absorbed ass Anakin was..that his every decision--despite the most rational advice/instruction from Kenobi and Yoda--was his own doing, not the "failing" of Obi-Wan. It was not Vader applying psychological salve to his mind by admitting he murdered Anakin. no, he was owning up to the path he would naturally take, which was out of the hands of any other person--particularly Obi-Wan.
Oh, and about Jinn...come on. Unlike Guinness in the OT years--who did not have his ageing concealed with each subsequent appearance, this is the era of de-aging, which should have been generously applied to Neeson.
Series grade: C. It would have been better off as a movie.
There are inconsistencies in how characters perceive or deal with one another and how it impacts the OT:
- Vader saying he "killed" Anakin--which now renders ROTJ Kenobi telling Luke his story of Vader murdering his father was true ...from a certain point of view" as meaningless, since the idea came from Vader's own mouth and was not a deception on Kenobi's part.
- Kenobi seeming sympathetic to Vader, yet a mere decade later, he refers to him as a ..master of evil". Anakin/Vader already took his role as that "master" in ROTS with his being a mass murderer who sold his soul, and continued a reign of terror as Vader. Vader's line about "only" serving Sidious was unnecessary, since it is known that Vader was not in hiding for ten years, but enforcing Sidious' will from the start--not just executing Jedi, but expanding the Empire's power and presence.
- Also ROTJ: Vader tells Luke, "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" regarding the idea of trying to save Vader, but there was no scene, no moment of that kind in ROTS or this series.
Fanservice dialogue callback to the OT: "Then my friend is truly dead" obviously mirrored Luke's "Then my father is truly dead".
Explanation moment: Obi-Wan's strike through Vader's helmet and into his head explains the deep wound seen in TESB and ROTJ.
The Reva arc...well, it was there, but in the grand scheme of things, it felt like thie kind of sideline story one would see in the annual of a comic book--not really having any bearing to the main story, but added there "just because". The character's arc could have been served with greater effect as a two-hour episode of a SW anthology series; this is supposed to be a galaxy--innumerable beings have stories that were impacted by the Empire's takeover, yet have nothing to do with the Skywalker story (i.e. kidnapping Leia and hunting Luke). I would have preferred to see Reva's story from say...adolescence to her current adulthood, carefully laying out her soul's corruption at the hands of the Sith, and her own reign of terror, culminating in her betraying the other Inquisitors (preventing them from committing some planet-wide atrocity) before fleeing for her life.
The racists--yes, racists--who were up in arms about the leaked script having Reva "protecting" Luke from some threat--in other words, marginalizing Obi-Wan from his sworn duty--did not occur in that way at all. She did not make some stand against Vader or the Inquisitors at the Lars homestead while Obi-Wan just stood on the sidelines being "weak"--as the worst of the YouTube reviewers predicted.
...but i'm certain they will still refer to Moses Ingram as "diversity casting"--a black woman who did not deserve to be in Star Wars.
The biggest "win" for this series--or the franchise overall--was to hammer that last nail in the falsely-blaming-Obi-Wan-for-any culpability-in-Anakin's-fall coffin The one thing the PT succeeded at was laying out how much of a self-absorbed ass Anakin was..that his every decision--despite the most rational advice/instruction from Kenobi and Yoda--was his own doing, not the "failing" of Obi-Wan. It was not Vader applying psychological salve to his mind by admitting he murdered Anakin. no, he was owning up to the path he would naturally take, which was out of the hands of any other person--particularly Obi-Wan.
Oh, and about Jinn...come on. Unlike Guinness in the OT years--who did not have his ageing concealed with each subsequent appearance, this is the era of de-aging, which should have been generously applied to Neeson.
Series grade: C. It would have been better off as a movie.
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Well, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Got a little dusty in the room during the scene on Alderaan. No, the series wasn’t perfect. Yes, it probably connected too many dots that weren’t needed. Sure, it probably didn’t need to be a series. But I enjoyed the hell out of it. It was nice to see Ewan and Hayden again and add some connective tissues between trilogies. At the end of the day, it was a FUN adventure. Sometimes that’s all you need.
Considering the fact that Palps’ look has never been consistent, didn’t bother me in the slightest.
Considering the fact that Palps’ look has never been consistent, didn’t bother me in the slightest.
I liked the last episode overall, we didn't have to suffer through much Little Leia and all the Obi-Wan and Vader stuff is as great as its been all season. If I have one complaint, its Reva. Specifically,
Why was Reva attacking Luke?
All she knew was that Luke had a connection to Obi-Wan and possibly Bail Organa. She didn't know that Luke was Anakin's kid as far as I could tell, but thats the only justification that makes sense for what she did. It wasn't like she was trying to get revenge on Obi-Wan, he basically got her a chance to kill Vader and while she was unable to do it, he wasn't to blame for her failure. I legitimately was completely confused about everything involving her in this episode. I assumed she was trying to kidnap Luke to lure Kenobni to her, which would also bring Vader and give her another chance to kill Vader. Instead, she was trying to kill Luke to get back for Anakin killing her friends, but if she doesn't know Luke's real identity that makes absolutely no sense. Also, Reva surviving the series was bullshit. I swear, the prequels were less death averse then the Disney Plus stuff.
Overall, rating the show (in sections, because I have very mixed feelings)
Obi Wan Solo stuff: A
Vader stuff: A+
Leia Stuff: F-
Reva Stuff: D-
Overall: C+ Probably better then Book of Boba Fett (not counting the Mando episode of BF), but Leia is worse then any BoBF character, even the slow speed bikers. I'd rather have six hours of prequel era Jake Lloyd Anakin then another 10 minutes of kid Leia. So Kenobi is the better show, but BoBF was never as bad as Kenobi at its worst. BoBF was also nowhere near as good as Kenobi got even at its best, which is why I'd still say Kenobi is a bit better.
Why was Reva attacking Luke?
All she knew was that Luke had a connection to Obi-Wan and possibly Bail Organa. She didn't know that Luke was Anakin's kid as far as I could tell, but thats the only justification that makes sense for what she did. It wasn't like she was trying to get revenge on Obi-Wan, he basically got her a chance to kill Vader and while she was unable to do it, he wasn't to blame for her failure. I legitimately was completely confused about everything involving her in this episode. I assumed she was trying to kidnap Luke to lure Kenobni to her, which would also bring Vader and give her another chance to kill Vader. Instead, she was trying to kill Luke to get back for Anakin killing her friends, but if she doesn't know Luke's real identity that makes absolutely no sense. Also, Reva surviving the series was bullshit. I swear, the prequels were less death averse then the Disney Plus stuff.
Overall, rating the show (in sections, because I have very mixed feelings)
Obi Wan Solo stuff: A
Vader stuff: A+
Leia Stuff: F-
Reva Stuff: D-
Overall: C+ Probably better then Book of Boba Fett (not counting the Mando episode of BF), but Leia is worse then any BoBF character, even the slow speed bikers. I'd rather have six hours of prequel era Jake Lloyd Anakin then another 10 minutes of kid Leia. So Kenobi is the better show, but BoBF was never as bad as Kenobi at its worst. BoBF was also nowhere near as good as Kenobi got even at its best, which is why I'd still say Kenobi is a bit better.
Rewatch the end of the previous episode. It was pretty well spelled out when Reva found the message from Organa. She figured out he was Vader’s son and wanted vengeance on Vader. It honestly had nothing to do with Obi-Wan.
I thought she was great. To each his own, I suppose.
There was nothing to tie Luke to Vader. Reva would know that Leia/Bail had a connection to Owen/Luke based on that message, but Vader isn't even hinted at. Luke could easily have just been, for example, Bail's secret love child that Obi-Wan was looking after while in exile. That's why I'd accept Reva using Luke as bait for Obi-Wan, but it makes no sense for her to connect Luke and Vader.
She had Leia kidnapped in the first place, it would make total sense for the Bail Organa message to connect to that event, Bail trying to stop another similar kidnapping, then to connect to Vader. As far as Reva knows, Obi-Wan exiled himself to Tatooine just to hide or at most he choose the planet because of something vaguely connected to Bail Organa, assuming Vader had a kid makes no sense with the information she has. If she had learned Leia's parentage then maybe, but she definitely didn't.
That already happened in Rebels, when Vader fought Ashoka, and pre-quoted Kylo Ren's line about, "He was weak, so I killed him."
I can see Obi-Wan's genuine apology, his obvious pity, and his reaction to it being spurned as all fitting with the idea that he thought there was still some Anakin left in Vader, and walking away no longer believing that. Vader did go from "I am what you made me" to "I am not your failure, I am my own victory."
Her planet had just been destroyed. At some point numbness is survival. Like Paul in Dune.Despite some (relatively minor) qualms with the season, I thoroughly enjoyed the finale. Thumbs up.
They of course managed to massage a few details into place for Ep 4, such as Obi-Wan's use of "Darth", but now we know Leia has a heart of cold stone, seeing Ben cut down like that and barely registering an emotion at all.
Leia is the best thing about the entire series. I had no problem with Reva either. A great antagonist in my opinion. Maybe not the most well written role, but it was well acted anyway.
No you need to carefully listen to the partially garbled message from Bail.
He refers to “his” kids and the location on Tattoine.
She connects the dots, assuming the kid actually means something to Vader.
Beru is a badass. Bonnie Piesse basically appeared in 2 of 6 episodes and had closeups and dialogue in just one but she hit it out of the park.
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