Spoilers Stranger Things - Season 4

[tomalak301]

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Well, you didn't say that!

But thank you.

At the time I didn't actually know. It was just something I found on reddit, but I didn't know the actual source. Still really cool that she responded, and considering the gain in popularity in the song, she's had an amazing week.

 

[Reverend]

I wonder if they'll try to explain why Brenner was acting like he'd never seen powers like 11's before in the flashbacks we saw in S1, when before he had a lab full of kids with powers.

Or maybe it's just she was demonstrating abilities he'd not seen in the others.

It's been years since I rewatched the first three seasons so I may be forgetting certain things, but I don't recall him ever being surprised. Impressed, and intrigued, sure, but not fundamentally surprised such a thing is possible. I mean even just going from season 1 info: the dude is running a secret government lab seemingly all built around one girl with "011" tattooed on her wrist, and they're having her psychically spy on the Soviet Union, and crush coke cans with her brain. That alone tells us 1) he's quite deliberately training a psycho-kinetic for use in the Cold War, and 2) he's had, or at least aware of ten other subjects, because: simple arithmetic.

 

[theenglish]

Brenner's reaction is similar to what we see in Season 4-- it is not her power itself, but the level of her power that he is surprised/impressed by.

 

[Mojochi]

I think it's a simple matter of the lab testing for aptitudes across the full range of ESP abilities; indeed the term ESP is rather apt because these aren't all separate powers, it's an extra sense. The ability to perceive a higher dimensional planes, and then interacting with the physical world through said planes.

To put it in simple terms; people with functioning eyeballs don't have various "sight powers" like a "see colours power", or "depth perception power". It's just a sense that enables one to do various things with that ability, gathering information from the environment and interact with it. For eyesight, it means being able to see colours, to be able to reach out and grab and object, roughly knowing instinctively how far away it is, recognise shapes, detect movement, even communicate with someone through eye contact.

El's and the others are like that. They're not the X-Men: they're Jedi.
All the inhibitor in One probably does is prevent him for being able to focus enough to use his sense.

But being an action of the mind, it could be more like a functional tool kit, the way speech is. Where eyes & ears only see & hear, & we can really only potentially train them to do so with greater effectiveness, a function controlled by the mind can have applications. Most humans can speak. Not all humans can effectively sing or mimic, & some have a diminished capacity for ever doing so.

In their case here, each of the things these kids do seem like learned or honed skillsets. While it's possible they are tapping into one thing that does all this, it really does seem like some of them developed to do certain things more than others things. That "extra" in ESP doesn't mean an additional sense. It's not an extra sense perception. It's extrasensory perception, perception beyond the senses. It's not necessarily a sense per say. It's a talent.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Do you have a link to the post, i.e. how do we know it's actually Kate Bush?

It might be Catherine Earnshaw.

 

[The Knappos]

I'm still waiting for the "011" tattoo really being "110" twist

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Over at CBR, one of their weekly features they've been doing since way before the corporate take-over is the "Line it is Drawn" art contests. Each week, there's a new theme, and people can suggest art pieces falling under said theme, which artists then create.

This week's theme was "Stranger Things Classic 1980s Comic Book Cover Homages". Here's one example I really liked, based on the first issue of "Watchmen":

For all art pieces, go to CBR| Line it is Drawn: Stranger Things Classic 1980s Comic Book Cover Homages.

 

[theenglish]

I love that feature, and there are a lot of fun covers this time--guess a lot of people find Stranger Things to be inspirational.

 

[Anwar]

I'm still waiting for the "011" tattoo really being "110" twist

Then why do they keep calling her "Eleven" and not "One-One-Zero"?

 

[Jedi Marso]

And if she's 110, then

Spoiler

Vecna is 100

 

[Grendelsbayne]

And Eight would be 800.

 

[FPAlpha]

Correct me if i'm mistaken - i haven't rewatched the older seasons so memory may be hazy.

What came first? The supernatural kids or the Upside Down?

I believe it was the kids ( for whatever reason they started to appear) and as we now know it basically Eleven that created Vecna when during their fight she tore open a gate to the Upside Down and pushed him through, where he was transformed into the creature we saw.

Questions:

- Did the Upside Down always exist or was it created by Eleven and Vecna during/after their fight?

- Did the Upside Down creatures, the Demogorgon and the Mindflayer, always exist and only could enter our world once El and Vecna had their fight thus opening the portal or did Vecna create them? Alternatively all the creatures their are spearate entities and do what they do on instinct or their own will.

- How did the kids came to be and how did the government notice them and get involved? It's obvious there's two factions within the government and one side would probably have no problem killing a bunch of kids in an assault on a private home.


Either i have forgotten some crucial details but these are the questions i would like answered before the show ends.

Also i would like to see what happened with all the other kids that escaped alongside El - if they don't appear on Stranger Things anymore might that be that they are "reserved" for the spin off show?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

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Correct me if i'm mistaken - i haven't rewatched the older seasons so memory may be hazy.

What came first? The supernatural kids or the Upside Down?

I believe it was the kids ( for whatever reason they started to appear) and as we now know it basically Eleven that created Vecna when during their fight she tore open a gate to the Upside Down and pushed him through, where he was transformed into the creature we saw.

- Did the Upside Down always exist or was it created by Eleven and Vecna during/after their fight?

- Did the Upside Down creatures, the Demogorgon and the Mindflayer, always exist and only could enter our world once El and Vecna had their fight thus opening the portal or did Vecna create them? Alternatively all the creatures their are separate entities and do what they do on instinct or their own will.

- How did the kids came to be and how did the government notice them and get involved? It's obvious there's two factions within the government and one side would probably have no problem killing a bunch of kids in an assault on a private home.

Hard to say at this point. The Upside Down appears to have existed in some form already but then One's arrival helped morphed it into what is now. With every answer we get, more questions arise. For instance, I don't accept the notion that Henry simply developed his powers on his own out of whole cloth and I firmly believe that something else caused them to manifest.

Before this season, we had been on the assumption that Eleven and the other children were experimented on by Brenner simply as part of the covert CIA operation that actually happened in our reality and that lead to the initial opening of the Upside Down.

But now we know that program (at least in Hawkins) was partially initiated by Brenner's desire to replicate Henry's powers which, again, I don't think is the beginning of the thread either. Now we also know the opening of the Upside Down by Eleven in particular happened sooner and drew Brenner's attention towards it sooner than we thought (the security footage must've shown the full extent of that fight so it's not just the cracks in the wall he gawked at). So I won't be surprised if we discover that the Upside Down has an even earlier origin.

Either i have forgotten some crucial details but these are the questions i would like answered before the show ends.

Pretty much everything you asked about is still up in the air. As I said before, we thought we knew the answers to some of these and it turned out we were completely wrong and I expect some of the answers we did get will also get upheaved in some way.

Also i would like to see what happened with all the other kids that escaped alongside El - if they don't appear on Stranger Things anymore might that be that they are "reserved" for the spin off show?

As far as we know (but, again, answers keep changing...), only Eight/Kali also escaped. As I posted earlier, her timeline isn't the clearest right now and I really hope either the upcoming two episodes or, more likely, the final season will clarify that point.

Come to think of it, Brenner chased after Eleven with a burning passion...but did he do the same for Eight? I know Eleven was his pet project and all (for more reasons than one) but surely he wouldn't want one of his experiments on the run. Unless Eight projected an image to all of them so believeable that she died instead of escaping?

 

[theenglish]

Kate Bush seems to be having a bit of a moment. "Don't Give Up" by Peter Gabriel featuring Bush's haunting vocals was given a rendition on episode four of "Outer Range". Season 2 of The Handmaid's Tale (a few years old now) featured This Woman's Work prominently in an episode.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Come to think of it, Brenner chased after Eleven with a burning passion...but did he do the same for Eight? I know Eleven was his pet project and all (for more reasons than one) but surely he wouldn't want one of his experiments on the run. Unless Eight projected an image to all of them so believeable that she died instead of escaping?

Maybe all focus was switched to the gates/upsidedown after the incident with 1 and 8 was no longer a priority. I did get the feeling she was still on the run from someone so they are probably looking just not as hard.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Kate Bush seems to be having a bit of a moment. "Don't Give Up" by Peter Gabriel featuring Bush's haunting vocals was given a rendition on episode four of "Outer Range". Season 2 of The Handmaid's Tale (a few years old now) featured This Woman's Work prominently in an episode.

So, which show is going to use Wuthering Heights?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Maybe all focus was switched to the gates/upsidedown after the incident with 1 and 8 was no longer a priority. I did get the feeling she was still on the run from someone so they are probably looking just not as hard.

That would make sense if Eight fled after the Massacre but doesn't make much sense with what I outlined earlier. Particularly how did she avoid One's slaughtering when no one else did. Would her illusions be strong enough to fool him?

 

[EyalM]

That woul make sense if Eight fled after the Massacre but doesn't make much sense with what I outlined earlier. Particularly how did she avoid One's slaughtering when no one else did. Would her illusions be strong enough to fool him?

I think it was mentioned in one of one and eleven's talks that eight already escaped at that point.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I think it was mentioned in one of one and eleven's talks that eight already escaped at that point.

I don't remember them ever mentioning Eight. I'm happy to be wrong on that count but I think I would've noticed that since I was actively looking for any reference to her, visual or otherwise.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Starting right now is the show's Geeked Week panel where they will talk about this season's developments:

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