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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

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I'm betting on a have their cake and eat it too ending, wherein she both is and isn't Laris. She IS Laris, but when she quits her job as a Supervisor (or gets fired, because Picard) they erase her memories and put her into a normal, Romulan life. Where she just happens to eventually bump into Picard again many years later. Imply that their meeting when she was Talinn has left some kind of indelible impression upon Laris and that's why she is drawn to JL.

Many years later would imply 2024-->2399+ , a lifespan of 375 years plus however old she is when we meet her in 2022. So unless she jumps time as well, she really can't be Laris unless somehow Romulan lifespans are something like triple that of a Vulcan's.

I think this is more 'lazy writing' in an effort to utilize un-needed cast members whose characters would have otherwise been 1-episode cameos. Kind of like Elnor and his numerous reappearances in 'visions' seen by Raffi.
 
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Why does Guinan have the super special truce bottle? And why would she bring it to Earth? 'That belongs in a museum!'

Thank you. One of my first thoughts: So the whole El-Aurian-Q war boils down to a djinni bottle, and Guinan just happens to have it with her in a bar on Earth? WT ever-loving F. That takes 'shitty writing' to a whole new plane of existence.

Oh, and what is this mention of a war between Guinan's people and the Q, anyway? The Q could have Thanos-snapped them clean out of existence!
 
I thought it was Alexander Siddig playing the shrink. Kinda saddened it wasn't him. Haven't seen DS9 cast thrown role bones anywhere. Hopefully they are saving them for the inevitable DS9 revival!

For a split second I was like...did they recast Dr. Bashir with James Callis and play into the fan fascination with the resemblances between Callis and Siddig? I mean...Commander rank, which Bashir would likely have by the 2390s. Blue medical division uniform. Looks and sounds a lot like Bashir.
 
Many years later would imply 2024-->2399+ , a lifespan of 375 years plus however old she is when we meet her in 2022. So unless she jumps time as well, she really can't be Laris unless somehow Romulan lifespans are something like triple that of a Vulcan's.

Gary Seven's people may have access to time travel technology still in use before the Temporal Accords were signed, or simply never signed the accords because they had to keep a low and covert profile and stay off the radar.
 
I thought it was Alexander Siddig playing the shrink. Kinda saddened it wasn't him. Haven't seen DS9 cast thrown role bones anywhere. Hopefully they are saving them for the inevitable DS9 revival!
Siddig has done fine since DS9. He was in 24 and even Game of Thrones.
 
It does seem odd that Guinan had this very important historical artifact. Maybe she's not your typical El Aurian and has some special status. Maybe she was a pivotal force behind the Q and El Aurian truce. There's a reason why Q finds her specifically dangerous.
 
Laris and Zhaban were engaged from birth, they mentioned that this season. ‪‪I’m fairly certain Picard’s “ancestor!” Line is meant to be the possible connection that Orla Brady mentioned when she discussed how they’re totally separate characters in a couple interviews over the last couple weeks. No reason to complicate things by making Laris and Tallinn the same character when actors playing their own relatives has such a long history in Trek, and in this series/season.
 
Gary Seven's people may have access to time travel technology still in use before the Temporal Accords were signed, or simply never signed the accords because they had to keep a low and covert profile and stay off the radar.

Gary Seven's bunch may indeed have time travel, in fact, I would be surprised if they didn't, since some knowledge of a temporal timeline is a must if they want to protect 'destinies.' All I'm saying is that if Tallin is a plain Romulan, she can't also be Laris unless she time-jumps at some point, because I've never read that Romulans have 400+ year lifespans.

I think Gary Seven's initial comments in the Enterprise transporter room were indicative of a higher temporal knowledge as well- I need to go back and re-watch that episode.
 
I think Guinan not being able to summon Q, with the fact that Q has lost his powers, is a strong hint that something has happened to the Q Continuum. Perhaps the Q Continuum is gone? I suspect Q's ulterior motives are to save the Continuum. Maybe helping Picard overcome his fear and accept the Borg is part of Q's plan to save the Continuum?
Maybe steering Humanity is necessary for the existence of the Q and the Q's eventual existence down the timeline is intertwined with Humanity?

Gary Seven's bunch may indeed have time travel, in fact, I would be surprised if they didn't, since some knowledge of a temporal timeline is a must if they want to protect 'destinies.' All I'm saying is that if Tallin is a plain Romulan, she can't also be Laris unless she time-jumps at some point, because I've never read that Romulans have 400+ year lifespans.
Vulcan's, and I'm assuming that Romulans are similar; would have lifespans in the range of 200-230 years given what we know of them.

That's incredible compared to modern day humans.
 
I enjoyed that one. I always liked those episodes where they go into a character's mind, and the Romulan mind probe was a nice call back.

Picard's childhood trauma was interesting, and I'm glad they didn't go for abusive father in the end. Bipolar mother doesn't quite tally with what we know of 24th century mental health, but I'll go with it.

A shame Robert was not mentioned at all, given his bullying of Jean-Luc was another source of childhood trauma. I can buy that the older brother would have had a sense of responsibility but also resentment if his mother was troubled but favoured Jean-Luc. He might naturally tend after Maurice whilst Jean-Luc looked to the stars like his mother.

All-in-all, interesting exploration of Picard that adds some depth to the character.

The rest was fine. Treading water a bit with Jurati and Raffi/Seven, but Rios got a couple of nice scenes. Guinan's story about the history with the Q works fine and was nicely acted by Ito Aghayere. The genie bottle? I didn't really get that, but whatever.
 
Can we mention the other big reveal in this episode that Tallin is a Romulan? We finally get some answers about the Laris and Tallin connection. I wonder if she is an ancestor of Laris or is Laris and hid her true purpose because she was there to protect Picard? It would explain Laris working at Chateau Picard to be close to Picard.
How did people NOT notice? Her computer was using a Romulan interface, she was saying Romulan words....why is it so surprising that she was a Romulan the entire time? Come on now!
 
Whatever happened, apparently nobody thought of talking to young Picard or giving him the counseling he would need. I don't think the 24th century is perfect, but I'd expect it to be a bit more progressive than ours, and even we know kids need support after such a drastic experience and change.

Question: Was the counselling supposed to really have taken place at some time in Picard's life? I mean, what's with the phrase "Even your close friends call you Captain"? Raffi's called him JL for ages, and didn't Beverly call him Jean-Luc? Troi even?
I mean, in TNG we saw very young children being left to live completely alone in their quarters on the Enterprise while their parents were either off-ship on missions, missing in action, or laid up in sickbay for an extended period of time, so I'm less convinced than you are of the 24th century's understanding of the kind of support traumatised children need!

As for the line 'even your close friends call you captain,' that happened inside Picard's head. It doesn't have to be literally true to be how he sees himself.

Maurice said she was refusing treatment, and it is also implied that these were only temporary episodes.

This show keeps implying that you can’t be forced to be helped.
That's a fairly consistent theme for Star Trek. Raffi's S1 story revolved around that theme - she continued to struggle with alcoholism because she chose not to accept treatment, not because she couldn't have been treated. And there was an episode of TNG, as I recall, about Worf being paralysed and wanting to be allowed to die rather than accept treatment - in the end he changed his mind for Alexander's sake, but there was still a whole thing about his right to choose.

I find it hard to believe that this is the same Rios we saw in Season 1 who literally first appeared shirtless and musclebound with a blade in his arm. This guy's tripping over Teresa even clumsier than wimpy dateless me did over people in college. He had tons of time on La Sirena to himself to relieve hormones on his personal holodeck and even if he wanted a "real" relationship, I kind of think his very recent breakup with Agnes would've chilled him on that. As it is, he seems hardly bothered that she's obviously been assimilated.
Again, it wasn't a blade in his arm, it was a chunk of shrapnel, probably from some panel on the ship that had blown and was the reason for Enoch being deployed in that episode. That scene wasn't about showing us how tough and hard the character was, as so many seem to think, it was showing us how isolated and cynical he was, and how badly he wanted to convince Picard that he no longer cared about anything. He'd spent 10 years living pretty much as a recluse and was no longer used to having people around, found it difficult to adjust once the ship started filling up in S1. His attempts at flirting with Agnes were awkward too, whether because he was so out of practice or because despite the looks he's never been good at that kind of thing. Getting flustered around Theresa is consistent characterisation. And he doesn't know that Agnes has been assimilated (plus, he still seems a bit aggrieved about the forced kiss). As far as he knows, she simply wandered off at the gala and lost contact with the others (he knows she's turned her comm off once already); retrieving her is Seven and Raffi's mission. His was to watch over Picard and Tallinn and try to deflect any awkward questions, which he did - by the unorthodox method of telling the truth, but he was backed into a corner at that point.

Bashir said that Schizophrenia was licked in Past Tense
But the individual still has to accept treatment, and as mentioned above, Star Trek is consistent about the individual having the right to choose.

Why does Guinan have the super special truce bottle? And why would she bring it to Earth? 'That belongs in a museum!'
I thought that. But maybe all El-Aurians carry around a version of it, somehow?
 
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How did people NOT notice? Her computer was using a Romulan interface, she was saying Romulan words....why is it so surprising that she was a Romulan the entire time? Come on now!
Me thinks you are misinterpreting reactions here.
 
Many years later would imply 2024-->2399+ , a lifespan of 375 years plus however old she is when we meet her in 2022. So unless she jumps time as well, she really can't be Laris unless somehow Romulan lifespans are something like triple that of a Vulcan's.
Wasn't Gary Seven six thousand years old?

EDIT: Wait, no, the line was "descendants of human ancestors taken from Earth approximately six thousand years ago". Though for some reason I had it in my mind that he was particularly long-lived as well. Not sure if that came from misinterpreting the line or from something else.
 
G7's ancestors were kidnapped off of Earth (by.. Romulans I guess?) 6k years ago. I don't think they were implying that he was actually that old-- although McCoy does make a point of pointing out that he's in perfect physical condition so he's probably got a longer lifespan than your average Earthling.
Yep, my bad.
 
Loved it, I think the whole season so far is genius, but I understand that many will not be able to appreciate it fully until the whole picture is revealed and they allow themselves a rewatch… I can kind of guess where the story is taking us, and it will be glorious… have faith everyone..!!!
 
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