Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"
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Picard sees her as an old woman in TNG season 1.
I made that point too. But maybe since JL was imagining her in WNOHGB, it was more of a fantasy that she lived to a ripe old age vs what really happened? They can obviously retcon if they want, or just ignore that episode altogether.
So that's why they don't reference the pandemic... not that it would make the show dated, but because they had a pandemic of their own in mind
What we are being told about Yvette now still makes sense in context of the TNG episode, regardless of whether they choose to say Yvette took her own life or if she lived - there is a look of complete and utter sadness and pain on Jean-Luc’s face in WNOHGB when he realizes that she’s gone. It seems to go far beyond just “I just saw my mother again and now she’s gone again”. I’ve always wondered just why the whole imaginary encounter seemed to rattle him the way it did. There always seemed to be SO much more behind it but TNG obviously never went into it (although it did drop hints here and there that he and his mother had a special bond, what with him remarking that he learned to play the piano just to please her etc). Well, at least for me as an avid observer of Jean-Luc Picard.
I think what's frustrating me about Picard right now is that we've got this team of elite experts that could pull off all kinds of crazy Mission: Impossible stuff, but they don't really know what they're meant to be doing or what's really going on, and they spend more time cleaning up their own mistakes than achieving anything. They're so starved of any kind of information about what's going on that Picard's assuming that his dream must be a clue!
It doesn't help that the episode keeps hinting at more interesting answers than the ones we get. I felt like I already knew everything Picard discovered in his head (probably my fault for reading speculation in this forum), Jurati's trip to the bar turned out to be... to smash a window, and I guess the Romulan woman is actually a Romulan?
But, I'm pretty sure I enjoyed the episode regardless. The series has such a good cast that they don't even have to do anything and I'm still entertained. I'd watch a whole episode about Raffi and Seven trying to get La Sirena's computer un-Borged, or Rios hanging out with Teresa and her kid. Even Young Guinan was pretty good in this one! The season is consistently failing at plot but it's succeeding at people, for me anyway.
It doesn't help that the episode keeps hinting at more interesting answers than the ones we get. I felt like I already knew everything Picard discovered in his head (probably my fault for reading speculation in this forum), Jurati's trip to the bar turned out to be... to smash a window, and I guess the Romulan woman is actually a Romulan?
But, I'm pretty sure I enjoyed the episode regardless. The series has such a good cast that they don't even have to do anything and I'm still entertained. I'd watch a whole episode about Raffi and Seven trying to get La Sirena's computer un-Borged, or Rios hanging out with Teresa and her kid. Even Young Guinan was pretty good in this one! The season is consistently failing at plot but it's succeeding at people, for me anyway.
When I first saw that shrink, I thought it was Julian Bashir!
Funny stuff.So.... how can the timeline not be absolutely borked worse than it even originally was at this point?
I was hoping it'd be Q in disguise.
What we are being told about Yvette now still makes sense in context of the TNG episode, regardless of whether they choose to say Yvette took her own life or if she lived - there is a look of complete and utter sadness and pain on Jean-Luc’s face in WNOHGB when he realizes that she’s gone. It seems to go far beyond just “I just saw my mother again and now she’s gone again”. I’ve always wondered just why the whole imaginary encounter seemed to rattle him the way it did. There always seemed to be SO much more behind it but TNG obviously never went into it (although it did drop hints here and there that he and his mother had a special bond, what with him remarking that he learned to play the piano just to please her etc). Well, at least for me as an avid observer of Jean-Luc Picard.
There was absolutely nothing in "Where No One Has Gone Before" that hinted at that Picard's mother had a tragic history, a mental illness, or that she took her own life.
This is just all NuTrek retcons and making things up from people who see things that don't exist and interpret meaning into events that don't make sense.
Thought that for like half a second, I feel like theory teasing DS9 fans at this point
Going into the episode I thought it might be Picard's dad, but as it went on I started to wonder if it actually was Q in disguise. It would fit his (possible) appearance in Picard's head in Tapestry, and his new job as a therapist. I'm not sure if I would've prefered it if he was. It certainly would've made more sense than his dad doing the evaluation (and Picard not recognising him), but it would've been more predictable too.
First episode of Picard I couldn't get through in one sitting and so I'm going to give this a 1. All momentum in the story has just completely stopped. 20 Minutes in and absolutely nothing has happened - we're just in Picard's head and he's talking to someone that isn't real. No Q, no Soong - let's just have nothing happen for *another* episode. I feel like Picard's trauma could have been better explored throughout the season than "lets go in his mind" 3 episodes left. Has a show fallen so hard in just a few episodes before?
yeah that is odd Picard wouldn't recognize his own father
