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I'm finding few positives in doing an Enterprise marathon, but I've become of the firm opinion that Faith of the Heart is a great theme for the show. It has a lot of energy, it's upbeat and uplifting. It's a song of positivity and I never skip it.

Edit - Oh. Also I'm aware that Season 1 of TOS is 'better' than Season 3, but I prefer Freiberger's Fancies. I find Season 3 quite beguiling. There's great episodes like Spectre of the Gun, The Tholian Web or The Empath, then there's disasters like Spock's Brain and The Way to Eden. And everything in-between.

I like how even when it was being kicked in the balls, TOS was still straining to be a good show in Season 3, even if it didn't always make it.
 
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I was just thinking the exact opposite, as this Enterprise special feature video I'm currently watching has the music playing over the top of people talking so I can't just skip it like usual.

I will say that Enterprise could've used a theme similar to it (U2's Beautiful Day springs to mind), but I also think that it should've had a different theme for every season to suit the different tones they were going for. Where My Heart Will Take Me just annoyed me a bit during the first season but it became comically jarring during the events of the last two seasons.
 
I didn't like "Pale Moonlight" because it just makes no sense. Ben Sisko is a station commander, a shipbuilder, and the emissary to the Prophets. For him to be engaging in high level espionage is like a bricklayer or baker or toy shop clerk deciding to become a spy or vigilante or whatever. Their heart might be in the right place but they lack the skill set.

Isn't that a general problem of Star Trek? That most of those Starfleet (bridge) officers are really impossibly talented and versatile? They're generally great at science, engineering, diplomacy if the situation requires it, have very good survival skills, are good fighters, can go undercover on espionage missions, etc... and of course also that they're often only trying to fulfil their their regular assignments (e.g. exploration or being a starfleet liaison officer) and somehow always end up in the very center of crucial events with quadrant-spanning consequences.
 
Isn't that a general problem of Star Trek? That most of those Starfleet (bridge) officers are really impossibly talented and versatile? They're generally great at science, engineering, diplomacy if the situation requires it, have very good survival skills, are good fighters, can go undercover on espionage missions, etc... and of course also that they're often only trying to fulfil their their regular assignments (e.g. exploration or being a starfleet liaison officer) and somehow always end up in the very center of crucial events with quadrant-spanning consequences.
I think that's the problem with being the protagonist or main cast of a show.

Any show for that matter.
 
INS isn't even in my Bottom 3 or 4.

It's in my bottom 3, above Into Darkness and Nemesis respectively. With the Shatnerverse novels making Generations tolerable for me, those are the 3 Trek movies that I actively dislike.

with you on this. It’s a wonderful bit of drama and performance and in one sense I love it, but as Trek it depresses me and wish it had been different. I want the optimism!

I'm fine with In the Pale Moonlight in this context. Section 31 on the other hand...

I don't feel like many fans who prefer the TNG approach would like TOS that much if it wasn't grandfathered in. The optimism was there but it had to be earned, not given away freely. And sometimes the episodes ended a bit down.

I can only speak for myself, but I loved TOS reruns years before TNG started, and was/am all in on the TNG optimism (especially as the real world seems to suck more and more).

For better or worse, Insurrection is like a TNG 2 parter put on the big screen. It's my preferred of the four TNG movies because it actually feels like a continuation of it's parent show and is true to the characters of it.

They were idiots in the show as well?

Eh, it's Star Trek. A Starfleet officer is the master of many trades.

If Miles can infiltrate the mob...

Pretty sure Kirk, Archer and probably Burnham would do more or less what Sisko did. Picard and Freeman probably wouldn’t. I can just picture Picards impassioned speech to the Romulans and Freeman is too by the book.

The only one I can’t figure is Janeway. I could honestly see her doing either.

I agree on Archer, Picard and Freeman (and the inconsistently written Janeway), but disagree on Kirk and Burnham. Early "mutiny because you won't shoot at the Klingons" may have, but not latter "true believer" Starfleet captain Burnham. I thing Kirk would go ahead with the subterfuge (a'la Enterprise Incident), but I think he'd be wily enough to keep Garak on a tighter leash, plus if he had Spock handy I'd bet the Romulan would've never realized that it was a faaaaaaake.

I will say that Enterprise could've used a theme similar to it (U2's Beautiful Day springs to mind), but I also think that it should've had a different theme for every season to suit the different tones they were going for. Where My Heart Will Take Me just annoyed me a bit during the first season but it became comically jarring during the events of the last two seasons.

Jarring during season 3 I get, but surely it was most appropriate in season 4, with all the prelude to the Federation stuff...

Isn't that a general problem of Star Trek? That most of those Starfleet (bridge) officers are really impossibly talented and versatile? They're generally great at science, engineering, diplomacy if the situation requires it, have very good survival skills, are good fighters, can go undercover on espionage missions, etc... and of course also that they're often only trying to fulfil their their regular assignments (e.g. exploration or being a starfleet liaison officer) and somehow always end up in the very center of crucial events with quadrant-spanning consequences.

It's almost like we're sending our best and brightest to the frontier...

Then half of them go nuts after they make admiral for some reason.
 
Jarring during season 3 I get, but surely it was most appropriate in season 4, with all the prelude to the Federation stuff...
I only just finished watching season 4 and it gets even more jarring at times. Storm Front, part 2 goes from a newsreel of Hitler visiting a conquered New York straight to the opening titles. Borderland starts with a brutal fight on a Klingon ship. The Augments starts with a dramatic scene of Archer about to be infected by a virus. Terra Prime starts with a terrorist making a statement while exciting music plays etc.

The trouble is that they fixed their cold open problem. The early seasons often feature absolutely terrible teasers that don't have any hook, so they could transition straight into the cheerful opening credits just fine. Season four has really dramatic teasers that end on a tense moment, then the theme comes on with the exact opposite mood and you get whiplash.
 
can only speak for myself, but I loved TOS reruns years before TNG started, and was/am all in on the TNG optimism (especially as the real world seems to suck more and more).
But that was before TNG. I'm talking going from TNG to TOS, with episodes like Balance of Terror or City on the Edge on the Edge of Forever where people have to die in the name of peace, the endings quite dour.
 
I'm fine with In the Pale Moonlight in this context. Section 31 on the other hand...

Ooo I’m with you there. I presume hating that S31 was ever introduced isn’t that controversial though. You can only live my your morals if you totally abandon them when it’s convenient. HATE IT haha!
 
Ooo I’m with you there. I presume hating that S31 was ever introduced isn’t that controversial though. You can only live my your morals if you totally abandon them when it’s convenient. HATE IT haha!

Not a fan of Section 31 either. Are we in the minority because they've announced the show or in the majority because it's been eternally delayed?
 
Section 31 worked for me in DS9 and ENT. To the most limited extent with Admiral Marcus in STID.

Using it in DSC was a waste of writing and time that could have been better directed towards other characters and plotlines.
 
Not a fan of Section 31 either. Are we in the minority because they've announced the show or in the majority because it's been eternally delayed?
You're in the majority. Section 31 is controversial at best, and interest in a show about will apparently make you persona non grata among Trek fans.
 
The trouble I have with Section 31 is that they're too cool and interesting for Trek to leave alone and the more they get to do, the more accepted they are. The more it seems like 'they have a point'. Maybe they really are needed to save the Federation! Perhaps Starfleet morals don't get the job done and this secret group has been sorting things out behind the scenes. Maybe Star Trek's core philosophy has always been a lie.
 
The trouble I have with Section 31 is that they're too cool and interesting for Trek to leave alone and the more they get to do, the more accepted they are. The more it seems like 'they have a point'. Maybe they really are needed to save the Federation! Perhaps Starfleet morals don't get the job done and this secret group has been sorting things out behind the scenes. Maybe Star Trek's core philosophy has always been a lie.
I mean, yes and no. Humans have always gravitated towards the "bad guys" for want of a better term. Look at various franchises throughout and you'll find that there is a certain appeal of the rougish persona who does their own thing, largely in the name of the greater good, as they see it. Robin Hood springs immediately to mind. More recently is Jack Sparrow, Han Solo, Daredevil, as well as games like GTA 5. Look at the Matrix where the main character fights the system and shows people a "world without rules." That's always been a draw.

Do I think S31 has a point? No, I don't, other than to showcase that the Freedoms Federation citizens enjoy shouldn't be taken for granted and that there will always be people who want to take the law in their own hands and do what they think is right. We saw that a lot with the admirals of the week who would impose martial law, or violate treaties in the name of security.
 
The trouble I have with Section 31 is that they're too cool and interesting for Trek to leave alone and the more they get to do, the more accepted they are.

I disagree here. There are many franchises, shows, books, movies etc. where I like the bad guys or the "rougher"/"morally ambiguous" good guys, but Section 31 neither strikes me as cool nor as particularly interesting.
 
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