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Spoilers ST Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Four Discussion

Mark_Nguyen

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Season Four premieres on November 18! What am I looking for:

- More, so much more on 32nd century Starfleet. We've seen the starbase and one ship of the era in any real detail; but the fleet as a whole remains undefined. Will we see another starship bridge? What will it look like, how will anyone interact with it? I suspect we may get the equivalent of Zheng He sort of virtual set if we do - these things are expensive.

- Still, Discovery on the inside is still largely unchanged from its initial appearance, despite the external overhaul. How else will the ship have been visibly tweaked since last year? They've got the new uniforms, but what else could have been added in the intervening months to bring her up to spec in the current era? Will there be even MORE cavernous interior spaces to fight in?

- Likewise, how does Starfleet itself work now that dilithium isn't the biggest issue they have anymore? Will we see patrol, logistics, exploration missions back? How much of the galaxy still NEEDS exploring at this point? I suspect that getting communications and trade going again are priorities over Strange New Worlds (TM), but it's not like any previous Trek was afraid of running into a new anomaly even in established territories.

- New, non-warp travel methods in widespread use. Interstellar beaming was one non-dilithium way to get around the galaxy that was conveniently ignored (among several, I know) but it'd be nice to see alternate ways of getting around now that the main one is supposedly back. It'd be nice if they would put some thought into avoiding another Burn the next time one lonely Kelpien gets into a pickle.

- Non-phaser weaponry. Torpedoes haven't been much of a focus in Discovery overall, and even less so in in the current time frame - did she even fire a torpedo since (or in?) the battle against Section 31? But it'd be nice to see if there has been any advancement in projectile / missile technology in the intervening centuries. Or if the whole thing has been abandoned, since after all the majority of species we run into in Trek don't have anything but beam weapons, let alone the VFX budget for torpedoes. :)

- How stuff like replicators, holodecks, and stuff we took for granted in the TNG era are now routinely applied. We saw an EMH last year and he was even referred to as such, and I know people have suspicions on David Cronenburg's character. Discovery probably didn't get a holodeck as part of their refit (despite having something like it to train in), but it'd be nice to have one now. Unless, like hologrammatic communications, it's a thing that comes and goes.

- An actual 32nd century Federation starship design. Mileages may vary, but presumably all the new ship designs we saw last year are pre-Burn, whether or not the ships themselves were built after the incident. We therefore have a significant gap in starship design theory where a bunch of designers were effectively sitting on their hands. What kinds of innovations could they have come up with and never built, for lack of resources to do so?

Mark
 
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Six to eight generations of starship designers having had to sit on their hands in multiple "nations" across known space as defined in the 3190's...and now they can get back to work.
 
...So one wonders if these scribbles shouldn't now be treated as New English, i.e. the modern lingua franca they all speak despite us hearing the UT translation. I mean, aren't they on Starfleet HQ graphics, too?

Timo Saloniemi
 
For those who want to start dissecting the tech of 4x01, "Kobayashi Maru":

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- A new spacedock! What happened to all the old ones? Not ALL of them would have contained an exploding ship at the time of the Burn. It's not like they all had warp drives, but their power systems could have been dilithium dependent. Or, as with all conflicts, they could have been primary targets as things fell apart. Is Earth still getting Utopia Planitia back into shape, assuming they did after the 2380s attacks?

- OTOH, Starfleet managed to completely overhaul the Discovery in a matter of weeks without one. I'm sure a spacedock would facilitate this for other ships, reducing retrofit time to days or less. I wonder if "Archer Spacedock" means the whole facility, and not just one actual frame.

- VERY familiar frame, right down to the hexagonal lights. At least they brighten up faster than they dimmed in TMP. But overall, hey - if it ain't broke? Even though the hex lights were absent in other spacedocks seen after TMP and before now? Maybe someone found a supply floating around Qualor II and figured, hey - if they ain't broke?

- Voyager-J gets a little more spotlight time. If she's at the top of the list to use the Archer dock, why? Does her position on the list equate to the importance of the mission they want to send her on?

- Uniforms, uniforms, uniforms! New dress unis for flag officers, Cap'ns, bridge crew, and presumably cadets. Oh, and the new President too. I can easily see that they wanted to symbolize the beginning of a new era with uniform updates for sure. I'm pretty sure that the greys are still in the background here and there though, so it's a kind of TNG season 3 situation of mixed uniforms to amortize the cost of all the ones they made last season, only to find out that they were effectively the same color as the Discovery bridge. :)

Great clip to start off the season! Much more to come, I'm sure.

Mark
 
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...In two months or so. Sigh.

Agreed that this is a great juncture in-universe to overhaul everything visually. And to go retro, since Starfleet now has the luxury of worshipping the past.

Worshipping Archer specifically is an odd choice for a supposedly non-human President, though, albeit in the context of a Starfleet once again dominated by humans. ENT still allowed us to think that Archer did good in terms of Earth exploration but was no biggie in Federation history and therefore went totally unmentioned in the 23rd and 24th centuries. Here we get the impression that we missed out on all the good stuff Archer did for the future UFP, including his big speech but apparently not being limited to it.

Are we seeing this Archer Dock at SF HQ, or at Earth, or at location X? Has the HQ been moved? Is the government no longer in exile at the far corner of the Starfleet barracks?

Timo Saloniemi
 
I believe we see a new starship. It passes close by to the camera and it looks to have a registry. However, I could not read it due to motion blur.

Liked the design of the new deep space station.
 
"Seen" here being a bit less clear than, say, Pike's bio snippets. But yeah, if you freeze-frame and zoom in, you at least theoretically see the Archer stuff. There was another page that never got screen time, so the stuff there is apocryphal at best, much like the stuff in Picard's scrapbook, say.

Timo Saloniemi
 
32nd century tech is still ridiculously incapable for some reason.
EMP can disable a starship?
Are we forgetting how many encounters SF had with stars and even incorporated Metaphasic shields allowing a ship to survive in the stars corona for huge periods of time inthe 24th century alone?

Why does a station need fresh supply of programmable matter to be brought to it? Every facility should/would have some on hand.
Oh wait... they DO. They can make phasers with it... but apparently, can't use it to make more of it from relatively unused matter and then use it to fix the station?

Oh well.

Another 'high stakes season'... seriously, they could have toned it down and focused on rebuilding the Federation and focusing on re-integrating seemingly commonly used tech from the 24th century at least into 32nd century ships.

Writers still can't make a distinction between 'power source' and 'method of FTL travel' it seems... and still apparently don't know about several different power reactor schematics and tech VOY brought back that UFP/SF should have integrated in the decades leading up the ships return to the AQ.

We'll see how it goes... but I would be just as happy if Disco ditched the gravitational anomaly that 'threatens everything' early on and focuses on something else such as rebuilding of UFP, establishing powerful and capable technologies (like TW beaming for example which would allow beaming from one end of the galaxy to the next).
 
The Archer thing was nice, but it would be kind of like naming a new UK military installation after King Æthelstan.

Perhaps millennia-old people are common currency in the 32nd century.
 
The Archer thing was nice, but it would be kind of like naming a new UK military installation after King Æthelstan.

Perhaps millennia-old people are common currency in the 32nd century.
I think it's more a matter of "going back to our roots" type inspiration.
 
My gripe on the latest trek shows is.. Get somebody who knows trek to proofread the script.
As said, solar flare? Not a thing for ships
Emp? Again.. Not a problem for ships.
Ion storm? Sure, that's a handwavum cosmic problem.
neutronic storm? Yep shown to destroy ships.

Subspace anomaly, cosmic storm, space time rupture, anything like that is better than.. Solar flare.. Ugh.
 
Wouldn't pose problems of cartography, I guess. And it's TAS-style cute, much like making Cait a Lyncis star.

Having the "anti-GPS" sats depend on dilithium isn't really a problem storywise. If anything, it nicely demonstrates that dilithium going inert doesn't mean dilithium would disappear or stuff would blow up. It just needs to be made non-inert again ("energized"?), after which the post-Burn problem is the same as the pre-Burn one, of the stuff wearing down and running out. And this happening in this instance is a thing the local eagles might just let pass, feeling there's no pressing need for resupply or replacement until the replacement itself starts to require a working satellite system and it's too late.

I wouldn't require invunerable shields "even" in the 32nd century: if they aren't there in the 21st, it already shows it takes more than four billion years to invent such. But the limitations of the future transporters are a plot-relevant thing, and not handled with great elegance here.

Timo Saloniemi
 
My gripe on the latest trek shows is.. Get somebody who knows trek to proofread the script.
As said, solar flare? Not a thing for ships
Emp? Again.. Not a problem for ships.
Ion storm? Sure, that's a handwavum cosmic problem.
neutronic storm? Yep shown to destroy ships.

Subspace anomaly, cosmic storm, space time rupture, anything like that is better than.. Solar flare.. Ugh.

Thank you.
Disco writers seemingly take things which were seen of literally 0 importance to UFP ships before and somehow here they can cause massive damage (to ships with hull alloys which use various composites that include neutronium fibers no less).
They've completely handwaved everything under the sun that was established before for the sake of drama.

Also, repairs still take hours with programmable matter in the mix. Disco = the epitome of over the top drama (with every season being 'end of all life as we know it) that effectively starting to destroy the ability for me to enjoy this show.
 
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We might take this as retroactive establishing that starships in the 2250s really weren't all that resilient after all, and that the ability to shrug off weak-sounding, real-world spatial phenomena was rather unique to heavy caliber ships like the Enterprise...

...And that this state of affair continues as regards non-starships, which are the things that end up being distressed in the 32nd century. I mean, if they could be built as tough as Starfleet battleships, why weren't they back in TOS and ENT already? Unlike the hero ship, they wouldn't have been held back by being built and operated by the backward Starfleet of the upstart, barely centenarian Federation - their operators in the general case would be ruthless commercial entities with millennia of experience in starflight. Possibly it just so happens that ruthless commercial operators never cough up the dough to turn their freighters into battleships, no matter what century or millennium or billennium.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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