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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x03 - "We'll Always Have Tom Paris"

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I've been reading about how the Navy has/is testing a new fire retardant uniform. That's where the idea came from. Real life precedent.
Navy tests uniforms quite a bit. I remember when the new camouflage uniform came out it was tested by some local recruiters. It was a process. Things always work differently in real life than on the drawing board.
 
The Enterprise is the flagship. Is that not reason enough to have a special uniform?


No. Also not the "flagship", as has been pointed out.

Incorrect. There were plenty of times on DS9 where we saw others without the jacket part of the uniform, or at least had it unzipped, and they never had a vest. Likewise there were times when Barclay was on Voyager he had the uniform unzipped and had no vest.

Fair.

The only ones we ever saw with the vest were Picard, Sisko, and Sloan, who were all Captains. Indeed, Memory Alpha even calls it the Captain's Vest.

Pure speculation on your part (and memory alpha's.) Ain't nothing official that declares the vest is for "captain's only", that's 100% guesswork and could be nothing more than a coincidence.
 
speaking of variants…should we mention the skant?
No. We should not. Setting aside the fact that it was hideous for both males and females, having an option for a skirt rather than slacks is common in today's military, so it makes sense that it would continue to be an option for Starfleet. It's not a variant. It's the same uniform with an option, similar to Pulaski's tunic top in season 2.
 
No. We should not. Setting aside the fact that it was hideous for both males and females, having an option for a skirt rather than slacks is common in today's military, so it makes sense that it would continue to be an option for Starfleet. It's not a variant. It's the same uniform with an option, similar to Pulaski's tunic top in season 2.
indeed! Which reminds me that McCoy also had a sleeveless variant.
 
Will Boimler is literally three weeks old and at the helm of a starship. Let that sink in…

No, he's not. IF Will was created the same way as Tom Riker, he is just as old and has the EXACT same knowledge and experience as Brad. The reason why Tom was not made a commander is that he didn't have the experiences that Will Riker had that made him a commander. When Tom was created, both Tom and Will were the EXACT same person. Their divergence started when Will rematerialized on his ship and Tom rematerialized on the planet he was on.
 
Pure speculation on your part (and memory alpha's.) Ain't nothing official that declares the vest is for "captain's only", that's 100% guesswork and could be nothing more than a coincidence.
You mean besides the fact that we only saw Captains wearing it? What's next, you going to claim that calling Kirk's green wraparound or Picard's jacket "Captains Only" guesswork and coincidence as well?
 
And when Mirror Archer found the Defiant Captain's green wraparound he said that he found it in "the Captain's wardrobe."
 
No, he's not. IF Will was created the same way as Tom Riker, he is just as old and has the EXACT same knowledge and experience as Brad. The reason why Tom was not made a commander is that he didn't have the experiences that Will Riker had that made him a commander. When Tom was created, both Tom and Will were the EXACT same person. Their divergence started when Will rematerialized on his ship and Tom rematerialized on the planet he was on.
Hang on a sec... you just said Will Boimler has the same knowledge and experience as Brad *and* that Tom and Will Riker were the same person, so how could Tom *not* have the experiences that Will Riker had that made him a commander?
 
Hang on a sec... you just said Will Boimler has the same knowledge and experience as Brad *and* that Tom and Will Riker were the same person, so how could Tom *not* have the experiences that Will Riker had that made him a commander?

I believe that contrary to Will and Tom Riker who have a great deal of differences in their background, Will and Brad Boimler are practically the same people as their separation occurred only recently.
 
I believe that contrary to Will and Tom Riker who have a great deal of differences in their background, Will and Brad Boimler are practically the same people as their separation occurred only recently.
Ah. I've probably forgotten things from the Riker ep. Were they separated for a long time?
 
You mean besides the fact that we only saw Captains wearing it? What's next, you going to claim that calling Kirk's green wraparound or Picard's jacket "Captains Only" guesswork and coincidence as well?

And Deputy Directors of Internal Affairs. So feel free to continue speculating! I like to do it, too. It's fun!
 
No, he's not. IF Will was created the same way as Tom Riker, he is just as old and has the EXACT same knowledge and experience as Brad. The reason why Tom was not made a commander is that he didn't have the experiences that Will Riker had that made him a commander. When Tom was created, both Tom and Will were the EXACT same person. Their divergence started when Will rematerialized on his ship and Tom rematerialized on the planet he was on.

Actually, Tom should have immediately been promoted to Lt. Cdr since Wil Riker earned his promotion explicitly due to his bravery during the evacuation of Nervala 4. Which happened before the two split. Therefore, Tom also "earned" the promotion, but the writers conveniently ignored that.
 
No, he's not. IF Will was created the same way as Tom Riker, he is just as old and has the EXACT same knowledge and experience as Brad. The reason why Tom was not made a commander is that he didn't have the experiences that Will Riker had that made him a commander. When Tom was created, both Tom and Will were the EXACT same person. Their divergence started when Will rematerialized on his ship and Tom rematerialized on the planet he was on.
first, mine was just a joke, second: there seems to be something fishy going on, as Will Boimler almost immediately started acting very differently than Brad, everyone in the show assumes that they are exact copies, but if so why do they act so differently?

Actually, Tom should have immediately been promoted to Lt. Cdr since Wil Riker earned his promotion explicitly due to his bravery during the evacuation of Nervala 4. Which happened before the two split. Therefore, Tom also "earned" the promotion, but the writers conveniently ignored that.
Agreed. However Tom has been several years without serving actively, Starfleet command might be uneasy in immediately promoting someone who is no longer used following the chain of command and immediately showed problems getting back into active service.
 
WIll Boilmer saw it as an opportunity to be the officer he wanted to be. It was always in Boilmer. In this case one of them acted on it.
 
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